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crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 16 2012 15:48 GMT
#581
Yes, but you don't want to be maxed with 120 army supply. You want to have a maximum of 60 scvs, and even that is pushing it. Even when I'm maxed with 140 army supply, I start suiciding scvs and trading hellions while I replace at least 20-40 more supply with BC/raven/Thor (after 10-15 tanks you really don't need any more).

Then ill push with my 160 supply BC/tank/Thor army not to 'go kill' the protoss, but simply to keep him on relatively few bases so that he can't afford all the high gas units he needs to engage my army.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
The WingNut
Profile Joined February 2012
United States35 Posts
April 16 2012 19:42 GMT
#582
On April 17 2012 00:48 crocodile wrote:
Even when I'm maxed with 140 army supply, I start suiciding scvs and trading hellions while I replace at least 20-40 more supply with BC/raven/Thor (after 10-15 tanks you really don't need any more).


At this point in the game, do you prioritize BCs, Thors, or Ravens (or do you try to be reactive to the enemy composition)? I've been neglecting Thors totally and even ravens in favor of BCs. I guess my reasoning for this is because of the strength of spell damage lategame, particularly yamato cannon (vs strike cannons which for some reason I can't make work).

Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
April 16 2012 19:58 GMT
#583
in my opinion,

Thors are important in midgame but less in lategame. Their job is to be a shield for the speedlot but in lategame the BC and the ghost are enought for the speedlot.

In lategame I try to have at least: 10 tank, 10 BC, 10 raven and 10 ghost.
Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
April 16 2012 20:13 GMT
#584

do you try to be reactive to the enemy composition)?


Yes, but only with my midgame army and not my latgame army. My lategame death ball can deal with everything.

In the midgame I try to survive and adapts to his composition.

VR: I try to have raven faster.
HT+archon: I try to have more ghosts.
Mass speedlot: thors, hellion and ghost in priority.
Blink stalker: standard mech army tank,thors,hellion.
immortal: more hellion and ghost. Personnally I prefer ghost than banshee but its a style.
collosus: some viking and transition to BC faster.
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 16 2012 20:19 GMT
#585
Gyro... he wasn't asking you.

@The WingNut
I like to only get like 4-6 Thors, because after that they start to trip over each other. After that, I prioritize BCs, as they are useful against just about every Protoss unit, while Ravens are more of support for the BCs (PDD). I will get a few Vikings if they start to come at me with Carriers, but I usually don't let the Protoss get to that point.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
April 16 2012 21:54 GMT
#586
On April 17 2012 05:19 crocodile wrote:
Gyro... he wasn't asking you.

@The WingNut
I like to only get like 4-6 Thors, because after that they start to trip over each other. After that, I prioritize BCs, as they are useful against just about every Protoss unit, while Ravens are more of support for the BCs (PDD). I will get a few Vikings if they start to come at me with Carriers, but I usually don't let the Protoss get to that point.


Any replays of your late game mech? I saw maybe one posted a while back in the thread.
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 22:14:42
April 16 2012 21:56 GMT
#587
http://drop.sc/155312

Multiple maxed situations, crazy Protoss compositions, etc.

http://drop.sc/160703

This one is a really good one from Daybreak, I actually lose a maxed army but the Protoss can't roll in because he doesn't have any income after I sniped his expo.

http://drop.sc/161197

Here's one where the Protoss took the 'abuse mobility' route. This was a really fun game.

http://drop.sc/155317

This one demonstrates a lot of Barracks wall play and pushing while remaining in a strong defensive position.

http://drop.sc/161199

In this one I'm really sloppy but my super strong army pulls me through!
Also: a very good demonstration of why you should never Blink into tanks!
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Angelus631
Profile Joined December 2011
Scotland4 Posts
April 16 2012 22:25 GMT
#588
What about if the protoss just archon toilets your air army as the ravensand vikings have very little health if the protoss can get them in there with 8 archons with +3 they will all die it think i know in the past this has worked don't know if you can move them in such a way that they don't get all spashed during the invulnrability. Obviously you can always emp the mothership but esspecially if the protoss keeps it back and can get terran air then surely you just get rolled by magic boxed voidrays once those ravens and vikings go down.

crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 16 2012 23:39 GMT
#589
Several of my replays, and I'm sure Lyyna's replays, have demonstrated Protosses using Motherships, and air transitions.

If you're asking if the army would die if I was retarded and flew all my air units into a Vortex with 8 Archons and +3, then yes, my army would die, and I would deserve to lose.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 02:03:17
April 17 2012 02:02 GMT
#590
On April 17 2012 06:56 crocodile wrote:
http://drop.sc/155312

Multiple maxed situations, crazy Protoss compositions, etc.

http://drop.sc/160703

This one is a really good one from Daybreak, I actually lose a maxed army but the Protoss can't roll in because he doesn't have any income after I sniped his expo.

http://drop.sc/161197

Here's one where the Protoss took the 'abuse mobility' route. This was a really fun game.

http://drop.sc/155317

This one demonstrates a lot of Barracks wall play and pushing while remaining in a strong defensive position.

http://drop.sc/161199

In this one I'm really sloppy but my super strong army pulls me through!
Also: a very good demonstration of why you should never Blink into tanks!


Awesome thanks! It's always good to have material to study. Hopefully I can find something about mass voidray + mass stalker. And maybe Lynna can pick some things up for updates to his guide.
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#591
Oh trust me, mass stalker shouldn't be giving you issues. Are you talking about blink play?
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Aristotle7
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States120 Posts
April 17 2012 02:48 GMT
#592
Thanks a lot, guys!

I got inspired by this thread to try Mech TvP again. My issue before was the late game, so in following this thread, I added BCs in late game, and it worked! It's 31min long TvP, 4 base vs 5 base toss. I rolled several of his waves, with Thors, Banshees, few Ravens, some ghosts, and BCs.

http://drop.sc/161304 (master level)

P.S. Note that I skipped tanks. I just don't like how they work in TvP. I went with more Thors instead. At some point in game, I popped 12 voids in 3 seconds due to splash .
Master Terran on NA
PaleRider09
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States70 Posts
April 18 2012 04:52 GMT
#593
Sweet, I've been wanting to try out some mech vs protoss for a while now. Thanks!
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 16:15:01
April 18 2012 16:14 GMT
#594

Any replays of your late game mech? I saw maybe one posted a while back in the thread.


Video of my tvp Mech build

http://www.twitch.tv/roadphantom/b/315379173
Primeless
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain5 Posts
April 20 2012 09:29 GMT
#595
Hi all.

I just want to thanx all you for this threat. So usefull & fun!

"Dust, metal & blood".


As i'm a broze terran player :facepalm: i'm traying to find a "general way to go" during my matches. Usually i went 2 rax>FE an then rush thors & ravens (this gives my oponent a wide window between the first factory and the first thor where im very burlnerable, but is prety safe in the firsts pushes).

I'll start doing this kind of stuff you suggest in the threat. Specially since i show how do you spend the "extra cash" in planetary fortress, what I love.

Cheers.
"Whatever you do, don't tell anyone"
jakek95
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom351 Posts
April 21 2012 19:01 GMT
#596
Just to say MKP is going MECH vs Huk game 3 round robin stage
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
April 21 2012 19:05 GMT
#597
Can't watch - will there be replays/VODs?
TPW Member | My Maps @ TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171486 | Search 'dezi' at EU
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
April 22 2012 13:40 GMT
#598
Poll: How should i do my vod's?

English comments (so bad accent, lots of hesitation,etc) (15)
 
88%

French comments with english subtitles (more editing so longer time to do each VOD) (2)
 
12%

17 total votes

Your vote: How should i do my vod's?

(Vote): English comments (so bad accent, lots of hesitation,etc)
(Vote): French comments with english subtitles (more editing so longer time to do each VOD)



Ok guys , i recorded my first VOD this afternoon .. but i quickly realized that it's really hard for me to express all my thinkings and reflexion in english , and it's really hard to understand what im saying due to my shitty accent , so i wanna ask if you would still prefer to hear my (horrible) accent, or if you would prefer to get english subtitles (and then i would comment in french)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 22 2012 13:55 GMT
#599
Hey Lynna great work on Mech, but this is off topic, just a quick question. Why do people want VOD so bad when they can just download your replays and watch from your perspective...?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
April 22 2012 14:01 GMT
#600
I have some problems to vote in this vote. Thats because I think if you struggle finding words in English you will struggle with your control etc too and the games wouldnt the best games of yoursself. But I dont like you to spend double the time for editing.

the real question is: do you have the time to spend double the time? And does speaking while playing give you problems with your control?
I would choose the option: no comments. Add the talk when you rewatch the VODs.

Thanks though.


And Im also curious if the VOD of MKP vs Huk will be available.
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