EPT[G] Lyyna’s TvP : How to mech every protoss cry - Page 32
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MistSC2
Sweden583 Posts
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
To all the haters: If you win on the ladder with it, its pretty good. if you have fun at the same time and get to be creative, then it's kick ass. Mech might not be viable at the highest levels (although it might). For the guides sake that doesn't really matter. Thanks again man. Awesome post. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
This one is basically about how to play when you think you are behind, and getting good informations with reduced scouting The next one is probably not going to be about TvP . TvZ i think For the next vod's ill not update directly the thread, as i want to keep it about the guide itself (or at least some ingame stuff). For vod announcements, etc . . .Facebook (just bookmark the page if you dont want to like it/dont have an account) And also, ofc , huge thanks to every people supporting me ! | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Then your excessive use of sensor towers... again, reminds me of Zerg creepheavy macro styles, you basically always have a huge information advantage when defending. Also a huge mistake I have turned off, was to focus too much on things you want to do when you go bio: play very active, expand fast, spend money on more production facilities. Now I'm focusing more on the main units in my army, tanks, thors and banshees - instead of wasting production on cute hellion play. Big thanks to you and your VODs, I can just recommend them to anybody who wants to learn something about Starcraft2 in general, not only about Mech play vs Protoss. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
It feels like multi pronged harass is still largely a problem for the style, but in the big fights it's power was undeniable. Thanks a lot for this insight  | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
 ):Supernova used the big Marine/Thor/Banshee 2 base attack against Hero in the GSL today. Results within spoiler: + Show Spoiler + Supernova attacked with like 6 Thors, 2 Banshees, a Raven, and some Marines against a bunch of Zealot/Stalker/Immortal/Templar. Normally with this build you max out, and I feel he would have done better if he had attacked later. Also, I always thought you get 1 Reactor Rax 2 Fact 2 Port, but Supernova had 4 Rax, 2 Fact, 1 Port. I didn't like that variation. | ||
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
On May 04 2012 00:59 beamingrobot wrote: Polt just won a mech TvP. Hellion + Thor with +1 +1. Massed hellions with blue flame, started 3rd orb and then went into the nat and main on daybreak(i think it's that map). Killed so many probes that the toss was forced to counter. Held it > Win. Where? When? :o | ||
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
His stream now. He's showing the replay. It's halfway thru though so might need to wait for vods, if he keeps them. Edit: It's over now so might need to watch the VODs. The toss was kinda banking resources though, so yea. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
Edit: VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/tslpolt/b/316995982 Match starts at 2:26:47 and he shows the replay of the same game at 2:39:39. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
edit : oh and, new replays pack added as well, check the op for link | ||
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saaaa
Germany419 Posts
I have some additional questions: Which transition do you prefer the Ghost-Midgame with Tank+Hellion+Ghost+Banshee+some Thors or the Ghostless with Tank+Hellion+Banshee+Thor+BC? What is in your opinion the strongest one? And when should i start this transition? 12:30-15:00? How many Thors do you build to survive the early midgame? I think you build sometimes 3 sometimes 4? Why the different numbers? Can you explain it for me? I figured out that it is really important to defend with your whole army and don't spread tanks like for example in TvZ? Is my spectation right in your opinion? I feel i loose a lot of games because i don't defend with all my stuff and then it's his 100% army against 2 waves of my army.. I saw in your replays that you always have all your tanks on one hotkey.. When do you stream? I never see you streaming :/ thx a lot | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
Thanks Basically, Both have advantages and problems. By going ghostless, you'll be able to get really early to a high number of factories, and you'll have a shitload of hellions roaming on the map. You'll be able to get early double upp if you want as well, and your army will be strong versus a standard gate/colossus midgame ball. GhostMech allows you (due to the added damage of ghosts) and forces (due to the cost) to play with less factories, and your army will be better versus "anti-mech" armies of HT, immortals,archons,etc, but you'll not be able to send hellions on the whole map to harass because you'll not have enough of them to sacrifice these. A bit more "eco-friendly" as you'll produce from less factories too Anyway you should start to transition to the late game army (so basically,adding starports and BC) when you get ur 4th OR if you are contained on 3 bases and maxed. To survive early midgame, i'll get 3 or 4 thors. Basically the number depends of how safe i feel : if i feel he's going to be agressive, one more thor is great to hold attack, while 1.5 tank isn't going to make a huge difference Yeah , you need to keep your units together. What makes your army strong is the huge synergy between all of these units. So spreading them mean that you'll not be able to exploit this,and you'll not be able to exploit the "snowball" potential of your mech army. And this is why sensor towers and "maphack" macro orbitals are important : to allows you to move everything while avoiding backstabs About streaming, as i was streaming from school , im basically unable to respect my schedules, and there is also others problems that i have to deal with when i stay later at school (forces me to go home late in a not-that-safe city isn't something i want to do everyday) | ||
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warmachine.
United States10 Posts
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On May 04 2012 00:59 beamingrobot wrote: Polt just won a mech TvP. Hellion + Thor with +1 +1. Massed hellions with blue flame, started 3rd orb and then went into the nat and main on daybreak(i think it's that map). Killed so many probes that the toss was forced to counter. Held it > Win. Great evidence. I think this one game may prove that Mech not only works in TvP, but works at the highest levels.. | ||
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