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MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
April 27 2012 22:06 GMT
#621
Lyyna you are officialy my hero, would make a fanclub for you if i knew how to do it!
Maru, TY, Clem <3
mothergoose729
Profile Joined December 2010
United States666 Posts
April 28 2012 08:10 GMT
#622
Awesome guide, going to mess around with this stuff.

To all the haters: If you win on the ladder with it, its pretty good. if you have fun at the same time and get to be creative, then it's kick ass. Mech might not be viable at the highest levels (although it might). For the guides sake that doesn't really matter.

Thanks again man. Awesome post.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 23:06:10
April 28 2012 22:59 GMT
#623
New VOD at http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqgb0a_lyyna-vod-002-tvp-mech_videogames
This one is basically about how to play when you think you are behind, and getting good informations with reduced scouting

The next one is probably not going to be about TvP . TvZ i think

For the next vod's ill not update directly the thread, as i want to keep it about the guide itself (or at least some ingame stuff). For vod announcements, etc . . .Facebook (just bookmark the page if you dont want to like it/dont have an account)

And also, ofc , huge thanks to every people supporting me !
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#624
So after going Mech for sometime with little success, your VODs have taught me so much about... well not only Mech, but Terran in general. I mean, before I watched your videos, the only time I have seen Terrans go for macro Orbitals, was in 3CC openings or superlategame. Now I'm just building Orbitals like when I play Zerg and build macro hatches and it makes so much sense, because scans alone make it hard to ever get caught in army fights, not even to mention their lategame potential, once you roll out with 170 army supply.
Then your excessive use of sensor towers... again, reminds me of Zerg creepheavy macro styles, you basically always have a huge information advantage when defending.

Also a huge mistake I have turned off, was to focus too much on things you want to do when you go bio: play very active, expand fast, spend money on more production facilities. Now I'm focusing more on the main units in my army, tanks, thors and banshees - instead of wasting production on cute hellion play.

Big thanks to you and your VODs, I can just recommend them to anybody who wants to learn something about Starcraft2 in general, not only about Mech play vs Protoss.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 02 2012 05:02 GMT
#625
I just watched the VODs and found the style very interesting. I love the core damage from the tank-thor-BC-ghost mix, it was really surprising to see it chew through some very scary protoss deathballs. With Ravens, Banshees and hellions as support it's a great lategame terran deathball.

It feels like multi pronged harass is still largely a problem for the style, but in the big fights it's power was undeniable.

Thanks a lot for this insight
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Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 13:44:55
May 02 2012 13:43 GMT
#626
edit : Missclicked quote instead of edit, like a boss
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 15:21:56
May 03 2012 15:21 GMT
#627
Mech TvP update (I consider this thread TvP Mech central ):

Supernova used the big Marine/Thor/Banshee 2 base attack against Hero in the GSL today.

Results within spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
Supernova attacked with like 6 Thors, 2 Banshees, a Raven, and some Marines against a bunch of Zealot/Stalker/Immortal/Templar. Normally with this build you max out, and I feel he would have done better if he had attacked later. Also, I always thought you get 1 Reactor Rax 2 Fact 2 Port, but Supernova had 4 Rax, 2 Fact, 1 Port. I didn't like that variation.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 16:07:25
May 03 2012 15:59 GMT
#628
Polt just won a mech TvP. Hellion + Thor with +1 +1. Massed hellions with blue flame, started 3rd orb and then went into the nat and main on daybreak(i think it's that map). Killed so many probes that the toss was forced to counter. Held it > Win.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 03 2012 16:08 GMT
#629
On May 04 2012 00:59 beamingrobot wrote:
Polt just won a mech TvP. Hellion + Thor with +1 +1. Massed hellions with blue flame, started 3rd orb and then went into the nat and main on daybreak(i think it's that map). Killed so many probes that the toss was forced to counter. Held it > Win.

Where? When? :o
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 16:12:56
May 03 2012 16:10 GMT
#630
On May 04 2012 01:08 Lyyna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 00:59 beamingrobot wrote:
Polt just won a mech TvP. Hellion + Thor with +1 +1. Massed hellions with blue flame, started 3rd orb and then went into the nat and main on daybreak(i think it's that map). Killed so many probes that the toss was forced to counter. Held it > Win.

Where? When? :o


His stream now. He's showing the replay. It's halfway thru though so might need to wait for vods, if he keeps them.

Edit: It's over now so might need to watch the VODs. The toss was kinda banking resources though, so yea.
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
May 03 2012 16:14 GMT
#631
I never thought I'd see Polt (or MKP, for that matter) try Mech TvP. They are so good at bio. Guess it just goes to show it can and should be done.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 03 2012 16:16 GMT
#632
Thanks beamin'. I will wait for the VOD to come, as i never expected to see polt play mech.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 03:05:26
May 03 2012 16:18 GMT
#633
No problems man, I was like, hellion thor vs toss? Isn't that against zerg? Haha anyway it's the last game of the night for him so it should be pretty easy to find it at the end when the VOD renders etc.

Edit: VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/tslpolt/b/316995982

Match starts at 2:26:47 and he shows the replay of the same game at 2:39:39.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 19:02:21
May 07 2012 18:38 GMT
#634
It looks like he plays this style relatively often (relatively) . . i see it once or twice basically everyday i watch i stream. Basically thor/marine or hellions/banshees, staying on a few factories getting thors the whole game, and adding reactored fact or massive amount of barracks for support unit. Relatively interesting, remembered me of the thor/banshee/marines i used to play when i started to mech

edit : oh and, new replays pack added as well, check the op for link
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
saaaa
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany419 Posts
May 08 2012 10:49 GMT
#635
@ Lyyna really incredible guide.. great work in my point of view.

I have some additional questions:

Which transition do you prefer the Ghost-Midgame with Tank+Hellion+Ghost+Banshee+some Thors or the Ghostless with Tank+Hellion+Banshee+Thor+BC? What is in your opinion the strongest one?

And when should i start this transition? 12:30-15:00?

How many Thors do you build to survive the early midgame? I think you build sometimes 3 sometimes 4? Why the different numbers? Can you explain it for me?

I figured out that it is really important to defend with your whole army and don't spread tanks like for example in TvZ? Is my spectation right in your opinion? I feel i loose a lot of games because i don't defend with all my stuff and then it's his 100% army against 2 waves of my army.. I saw in your replays that you always have all your tanks on one hotkey..

When do you stream? I never see you streaming :/

thx a lot


Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 11:10:42
May 08 2012 11:04 GMT
#636
He doesen't wanna stream because he goes to his school to use the internet there, and he is embarrassed to stream while being there, haha.
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Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 12:22:43
May 08 2012 12:21 GMT
#637
@saaaa :
Thanks

Basically, Both have advantages and problems. By going ghostless, you'll be able to get really early to a high number of factories, and you'll have a shitload of hellions roaming on the map. You'll be able to get early double upp if you want as well, and your army will be strong versus a standard gate/colossus midgame ball.

GhostMech allows you (due to the added damage of ghosts) and forces (due to the cost) to play with less factories, and your army will be better versus "anti-mech" armies of HT, immortals,archons,etc, but you'll not be able to send hellions on the whole map to harass because you'll not have enough of them to sacrifice these. A bit more "eco-friendly" as you'll produce from less factories too

Anyway you should start to transition to the late game army (so basically,adding starports and BC) when you get ur 4th OR if you are contained on 3 bases and maxed.

To survive early midgame, i'll get 3 or 4 thors. Basically the number depends of how safe i feel : if i feel he's going to be agressive, one more thor is great to hold attack, while 1.5 tank isn't going to make a huge difference

Yeah , you need to keep your units together. What makes your army strong is the huge synergy between all of these units.
So spreading them mean that you'll not be able to exploit this,and you'll not be able to exploit the "snowball" potential of your mech army. And this is why sensor towers and "maphack" macro orbitals are important : to allows you to move everything while avoiding backstabs

About streaming, as i was streaming from school , im basically unable to respect my schedules, and there is also others problems that i have to deal with when i stay later at school (forces me to go home late in a not-that-safe city isn't something i want to do everyday)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
warmachine.
Profile Joined September 2011
United States10 Posts
May 08 2012 13:20 GMT
#638
Just switched to terran from zerg solely to be a mech player. Have to say this guide has given me 95% of my ladder wins versus protoss. Thanks man!

100% mech terran.
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
May 08 2012 14:30 GMT
#639
I've been doing that cool reactor expand into 4 fact push lately on ladder. Its quite effective at ending the game right away. Transitioning is made easier because you can always set up a good contain nd your hellion production is so massive the toss has to turtle hard.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 17:19:06
May 08 2012 17:18 GMT
#640
On May 04 2012 00:59 beamingrobot wrote:
Polt just won a mech TvP. Hellion + Thor with +1 +1. Massed hellions with blue flame, started 3rd orb and then went into the nat and main on daybreak(i think it's that map). Killed so many probes that the toss was forced to counter. Held it > Win.


Great evidence. I think this one game may prove that Mech not only works in TvP, but works at the highest levels..
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