EPT[G] PvP: DT FE (Chargelot Archon) - Page 3
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Fierco
United States31 Posts
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matrius
100 Posts
Generally Voidrays will not work unless you sort of surprise your opponent, or are far ahead. Um, why do you say this? VRs are good vs colossi, I could image they might work well with chargelot/archon. As well, have you ever explored hallucination of a bunch of archons/immortals to lead the charge against colossi? They would take the initial damage allowing your charglots to get up close, and then 6 VRs would eat up a bunch of colossi...I have never tried hallu, but I have won vs a player who went with too many colossi vs my army with colossi/VR/other stuff, although I have lost too, so not sure of the particulars about this (maybe there is a critical mass of VR's needed, or enough chargelots to keep the stalkers busy while your VRs do their work, not sure). | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:30 Fierco wrote: What do you do about HuK style extremely fast DT's? It seems almost like you need a robo before twilight to stop them. I don't know what HuK DTs are like! On April 06 2012 03:53 matrius wrote: Um, why do you say this? VRs are good vs colossi, I could image they might work well with chargelot/archon. As well, have you ever explored hallucination of a bunch of archons/immortals to lead the charge against colossi? They would take the initial damage allowing your charglots to get up close, and then 6 VRs would eat up a bunch of colossi...I have never tried hallu, but I have won vs a player who went with too many colossi vs my army with colossi/VR/other stuff, although I have lost too, so not sure of the particulars about this (maybe there is a critical mass of VR's needed, or enough chargelots to keep the stalkers busy while your VRs do their work, not sure). Because Voidrays can be picked off pretty easily by Stalkers. I use hallucination more than any other player I know, but I never rely on it. Voidrays just don't work unless you have two maxed armies and you prevent your opponent from seeing them (in my experience). | ||
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matrius
100 Posts
I'm going to try some tests tonight... Edit: OK, I ran the tests. That unit composition rocks vs collossi stalkers, you just need to make sure that you have enough archons so FF aren't an issue. Because Voidrays can be picked off pretty easily by Stalkers. I use hallucination more than any other player I know, but I never rely on it. Voidrays just don't work unless you have two maxed armies and you prevent your opponent from seeing them (in my experience). | ||
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Fierco
United States31 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:30 Fierco wrote: What do you do about HuK style extremely fast DT's? It seems almost like you need a robo before twilight to stop them. On April 06 2012 04:25 CecilSunkure wrote: I don't know what HuK DTs are like! Day 9 just did a VOD on this style from HuK, but he gets 2 or so DT's extremely fast after 1 gate twilight and just attacks you with them. With this expand build there is no way to get a robo out in time to stop them, and his DT's will be out much earlier then yours because of the difference in openings. Here is the VOD btw | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On April 06 2012 13:36 9-BiT wrote: Double post sorry, but the box 'twilight robo' doesn't lead to anything, I'm assuming it's supposed to go to 'fast third + zealot timing etc." Oops! Yep just draw an imaginary line for me there  | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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Yuffie
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
But that's just my experience (mid master) | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:43 9-BiT wrote: There was a day[9] daily about Huks DT FE recently, what similarities do you see between the two builds? similarities ? they both go for dt , one is more safe then the other . huk is more risky huk vs fast dt aswel is death meanwhile this build can survive since you got early robo too. | ||
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Demicore
France503 Posts
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PurpleHazex
79 Posts
Playing DT/archons/Chargelots 80% of my PvP at 1000 point Masters NA. Its really good but I haven't perfected it yet, I often lose to mass colo, I don't have time to mass up enough. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On April 09 2012 09:20 PurpleHazex wrote: Thanks for the guide. Playing DT/archons/Chargelots 80% of my PvP at 1000 point Masters NA. Its really good but I haven't perfected it yet, I often lose to mass colo, I don't have time to mass up enough. It's good to trade armies efficiently and hit multiple places at once. Colossus are best packed together, but Chargelot/Archon is best not packed together. Try to come up with ways to force engagements you like. I often win dropping a pack of DT from a WP into the main, warp in a round of Zealots, then charge into the Natural soon after with my main army. | ||
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PurpleHazex
79 Posts
On April 09 2012 09:33 CecilSunkure wrote: It's good to trade armies efficiently and hit multiple places at once. Colossus are best packed together, but Chargelot/Archon is best not packed together. Try to come up with ways to force engagements you like. I often win dropping a pack of DT from a WP into the main, warp in a round of Zealots, then charge into the Natural soon after with my main army. Interresting, I'll check into some of the replays, I need some exemples. I often do this, rape all his probes but he ends up just going straight to my main and then I can't do much with whats left of my army | ||
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cLvrandomness
Malaysia19 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cel6zcRJPBE&feature=g-user-u&context=G2a8e134UCGXQYbcTJ33Z-EmAAW63_8Kl6FBKfpZGjAEN_IB_M6kQ this should help some people that arent very good at following written BO, like me | ||
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Mesha
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
When i think about it i really should have lost all the games - i think the biggest mistake that players do is wrong micro. Immortals are number one priority beacuse they melt the archon. And if i throw force fields archon has to be very close and react fast to destroy them. The chargelot/archon should beat this push. Great strat Cecil... as always. | ||
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JMC4
United States261 Posts
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SidewinderSC2
United States236 Posts
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