[G] PvP: DT FE (Chargelot Archon) - Page 4

On April 28 2012 18:27 WolfBro wrote:
I send my DT in, I manage to kill a few probes, like, 2 maybe, 3 tops. He chronos out an observer and cleans up my DT. He then puts 2 and 2 together that my fast DTs means I probably don't have much, so he comes and kills me.

He takes out my Nexus, but he doesn't come up the ramp. He just stations his observer at my natural and moves his army away. Then when I rebuild my nexus, he just comes and forces me to cancel it. And then he just contains me. So I come down my ramp and lose because he has the better economy and better army.

I'm not blaming the build, I realize I lost because I suck, I just don't understand how to come back from that and I'd imagine most opponents are going to be smart enough to realize my DTs mean I have a weak army.

In this situation, he did expand before me, which I guess means he would have died to a lot of other builds, especially a 4 gate.

On April 28 2012 19:18 xsnac wrote:



do you have a replay or something ? how the fk he kills you when you have archons and zealots ? with what ? colossi ? cuz zealot+ archon are the best shit you can get from 1-2 base .

you should expand as soon as you get 3 stalkers and twilight council down , very very fast expand . how he expanded before you ? you are doing the build wrong then .

On April 29 2012 06:03 WolfBro wrote:


He expanded at 5:30. With this build, based on watching the replays, you build the Nexus right after the Dark Shrine. Obviously you can expand early if you feel it can work but I'm just running it the way I saw in his replays. And at that point in the build, right after the DT harrassment, my army was very small compared to his which was on 6 gates at that point because of his early expansion.

Edit:
I'm prepared to call the game a fluke though and just keep going on as it was definitely my fault I lost.

On April 29 2012 06:10 recklessfire wrote:


ive been using this build in all my pvps and i have to say that when i see the robo when i enter his base with DTs, i immediately run away and just put the DT in some random spot so i can try again. Its not worth risking a DT to get a few probe kills, in most situations you have no idea where the observer is and if he even made one. You need that DT to buy you time when he tries to attack. You should be able to get map control and then send the DT in again when he tries to move out.

On April 30 2012 09:39 MateShade wrote:
Hey Cecil, I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with players that go for:

1gate robo into 3 gate aggression

i.e, chrono boosting the zealot stalker stalker, immortal first out of the robo, then up to 3 gates and contain.

I push them back to their base with my 3 stalkers but as soon as the first immortal pops out I'm forced back even if i kill all 3 units for nothing, if the 1 gate robo player is being hyper aggressive they will hit my base with 2-6 stalkers and 1-2 immortals right before my nexus finishes and before the shrine finishes. I can;t seem to find a way to hold my nexus, even if i see the push coming i will have 3 warp ins max and don't have enough gas for more than 1 sentry at this point in time (put the shrine down not long ago) so i can't hold my natural, and if i give it up, he basically contains me on one base and expands behind it, and if they then make an observer my dt harass is often shut down.

I know 3 stalker opening can be a soft counter to pushes before the 7minute mark, and this build does very well against 1 base plays coming at the 9-10 minute mark (limiting resources for reinforcements, buying time, sniping obs etc. But for 1 base tech plays that hit before the shrine finishes, i.e an immortal + first warp in off 3 gates I'm not too sure what to.

Edit: This could be the same issue for a fast blink play, no?

On May 02 2012 20:02 Sated wrote:
Saw somebody try this against Axslav on his stream yesterday after Axslav had gone for an Immortal expand opening. Axslav's words: "Oh, he's doing a DT expand? Well, let's just go kill him". He went up to 5gates with ~30 Probes and did just that.

So does this only work if you scare your opponent into being passive enough that you have time to get Chargelots and Archons? Seems like if they know what they're up against and "just go kill" you, you're dead. The guy Axslav was against had Chargelots and a single Archon, but that's not much use against more Zealots, more Stalkers, more Sentries and Immortals.