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juicy
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia145 Posts
March 05 2012 12:56 GMT
#61
Awesome find, I saw Nestea do this today also. Funny it took us so long
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3702 Posts
March 05 2012 16:36 GMT
#62
Hotkey overlord to some random control group (it's sc2 you probably have 5 or so free anyways), remove and add the overlord depending on whether you are engaging thors or not. Takes even more apm and probably impossible to do in lower leagues, but should to the trick.

Really funny it took us that long to discover something we already knew.
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
March 05 2012 17:59 GMT
#63
Stacking is very important for phoenix vs muta micro. Any good ideas for Protoss units to throw in the control group?
Notfragile
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 18:15:39
March 05 2012 18:13 GMT
#64
I am amazed that noone tried this earlier... While aoe can be devastating, just boxing your stacked mutas and pressing S, would start the spread almost instantly, no need to add and remove overlords or burrowed lings constantly. I don't see any reason not to try it.

On March 06 2012 02:59 kcdc wrote:
Stacking is very important for phoenix vs muta micro. Any good ideas for Protoss units to throw in the control group?


I guess having a probe build a couple of pylons at the corner of the base in a way that traps itself would do the trick.

Edit: Correcting mistakes. what the hell is wrong with my head today -.-
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-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
March 05 2012 18:24 GMT
#65
On March 06 2012 02:59 kcdc wrote:
Stacking is very important for phoenix vs muta micro. Any good ideas for Protoss units to throw in the control group?


Could you block your wall with a zealot and use a probe that's inside your base?
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HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
March 05 2012 18:59 GMT
#66
On March 05 2012 21:56 juicy wrote:
Awesome find, I saw Nestea do this today also. Funny it took us so long

I noticed Nestea do this too but it seemed random, like sometimes his muta control group had an ov and sometimes it didn't. Hard to tell if it was a mistake or not.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 05 2012 19:14 GMT
#67
I don't see a huge difference. I think it's mostly a placebo. :s
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agahamsorr0w
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands359 Posts
March 05 2012 19:46 GMT
#68
you can clearly see a difference. Try playing more with the mutas. You'll notice how fast they spread out in big groups.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 20:00:48
March 05 2012 20:00 GMT
#69
On March 05 2012 12:29 memcpy wrote:
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On March 05 2012 11:57 BMM wrote:
not trying to hate but wasn't this what everyone was doing in BW?? at any rate nice find, i'll be able to storm muta's better now :D:D


Ya, this is similar to what people did in BW, which is what led me to try it in the first place. It's just that most people, including pros, don't realize that it makes a difference in SC2. As someone mentioned earlier, I think the only pro who does this frequently is Nestea.

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On March 05 2012 11:57 chuky500 wrote:
They seemed to unstack when you went right while they remained stacked when you went left. Is that how the trick works or did they just unstack because you moved to the opposite side ?


You can move around in any direction. I think I just messed up and clicked too far away or not quickly enough when I switched directions.

Because you flew back over the overlord, they unstacked. It is not the grouping with the overlord that makes it work, but rather the fact that the overlord is far away from the mutas that keeps them stacked. If you look after the mutas are heading left after leaving the overlord, they almost completely stop destacking. They only had some destacking when they were near the overlord. That's how it worked in BW at least.
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Tal0n
Profile Joined April 2010
United States175 Posts
March 05 2012 20:09 GMT
#70
i saw nestea do this last night on imtv and thought it was a mistake
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#71
On March 06 2012 05:00 Superiorwolf wrote:
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On March 05 2012 12:29 memcpy wrote:
On March 05 2012 11:57 BMM wrote:
not trying to hate but wasn't this what everyone was doing in BW?? at any rate nice find, i'll be able to storm muta's better now :D:D


Ya, this is similar to what people did in BW, which is what led me to try it in the first place. It's just that most people, including pros, don't realize that it makes a difference in SC2. As someone mentioned earlier, I think the only pro who does this frequently is Nestea.

On March 05 2012 11:57 chuky500 wrote:
They seemed to unstack when you went right while they remained stacked when you went left. Is that how the trick works or did they just unstack because you moved to the opposite side ?


You can move around in any direction. I think I just messed up and clicked too far away or not quickly enough when I switched directions.

Because you flew back over the overlord, they unstacked. It is not the grouping with the overlord that makes it work, but rather the fact that the overlord is far away from the mutas that keeps them stacked. If you look after the mutas are heading left after leaving the overlord, they almost completely stop destacking. They only had some destacking when they were near the overlord. That's how it worked in BW at least.


Yeah this is definitely why they unstacked when he turned around, I also just tested it to try and find out.

This is actually really really useful, and I look forward to implementing it, nice job.
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
March 05 2012 20:17 GMT
#72
Blizzard finds out and nerfs it in the next patch (troll face)
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 20:20:53
March 05 2012 20:19 GMT
#73
I tried this yesterday while off-racing, and can confirm that this works.

1. Group an overlord (or any other unit that moves) with your mutas.
You actually don't need a unit that moves. As someone suggested, I tried grouping my mutalisks with a spire, and it worked fine. I can also tab between the mutas and the spire to make upgrades.


On March 06 2012 05:17 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Blizzard finds out and nerfs it in the next patch (troll face)

They only do that with Terran and Spellcasters. :S
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kusu
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden440 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 20:23:03
March 05 2012 20:22 GMT
#74
It is because the "box" becomes larger when the ovie is in the ctrl group right? So every click is in the box which makes them clump... Before when you click outside the box they spread!
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 05 2012 20:26 GMT
#75
Hum, tested it a bit in a unit tester map.
Yeah it seems to have a small difference. The map don't spread out in a line when moving that much with the trick.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 20:43:24
March 05 2012 20:41 GMT
#76
i tried this long ago and didnt have same effect like in bw...they ninja patched it or something?
i just been grouping it by spamming right click as it moves
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hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 20:50:00
March 05 2012 20:46 GMT
#77
I believe this trick has been around since the beta. Blizzard tried to emulate muta stacking from bw. There were complaints they didnt quite get it right.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#78
I don't think it has the same effect when grouped with a building, I just played with it and when have the same group of mutas on control groups 1 and 2, and overlord in one and an evo chamber in 2, flying with control group one they operate like in the video, then switching to control group 2 while keeping up the move commands they spread out quickly.
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
March 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#79
I just click the little circles underneath constantly while microing and attacking, works just fine
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KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 05 2012 21:28 GMT
#80
On March 06 2012 02:59 kcdc wrote:
Stacking is very important for phoenix vs muta micro. Any good ideas for Protoss units to throw in the control group?


Hmm I'm thinking make an enclosed space with buildings, and warp in a zealot, or enclose a probe with buildings, and use that.
I'm going to test it right now...

Yeah it works really well actually.

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