... How could they possibly ban you for this? You are not using a macro. You are simply changing the bindings on your keys. If I changed my mouse bindings so that right click is left click and left click is right click, would they have justification for banning me?

What if I change right click to "space bar"?

You can change your bindings. Obviously. Watch any tournament and they will often speak of players needing to change the key bindings to what they are comfortable with.

Even a modicum of rational thought indicates this is nothing "illegal' or against any rules that Blizzard has ever published.

FeiLing

Germany428 Posts

February 12 2012 13:59 GMT

#622

Funny how so many people think this is all legit...

I predict one of the two following things to happen now:

A) Nothing. However whoever does this will be catched by an automatic anti-hack script someday and you won't be able to talk yourself out of this situation then.
B) Patch that puts a global cooldown on these abilities (likely if a better known player starts to do it).

meganuff

1 Post

February 12 2012 21:53 GMT

#623

dont think its legit.
i mean the whole "its in driver" argument is pretty weak, i can do macro for my KB, dont even need to be complex, just spam 1 key to be 1-1. but thats doesnt means its legal.
it should be fixed, banned by blizzard and all tournaments

Noelani

55 Posts

February 12 2012 22:29 GMT

#624

I don't see the difference or why changing left click to mouse wheel is useful? Can some people scroll faster than they can click I guess? I'm not really sure why this is a thread or why anyone cares what key anyone else binds to an action. Use whatever is quickest and most comfortable for you.

Also people calling for banning cuz they don't like other peoples hotkeys are retarded.

Supamang

United States2298 Posts

February 12 2012 22:41 GMT

#625

On February 13 2012 07:29 Noelani wrote:
I don't see the difference or why changing left click to mouse wheel is useful? Can some people scroll faster than they can click I guess? I'm not really sure why this is a thread or why anyone cares what key anyone else binds to an action. Use whatever is quickest and most comfortable for you.

Also people calling for banning cuz they don't like other peoples hotkeys are retarded.

......you dont see the difference? Either you haven't watched the Snipe video in the OP, you are completely blind, or youre completely in denial.

Of course you can scroll the mouse scroll faster than you can left click. Each tick on the mouse scroll counts as a left click, so that means if you scroll up completely one time thats probably 10 left clicks in the time it would normally take to do 2 left clicks

Azzur

Australia6267 Posts

February 13 2012 03:38 GMT

#626

On February 12 2012 22:59 FeiLing wrote:
Funny how so many people think this is all legit...

I predict one of the two following things to happen now:

A) Nothing. However whoever does this will be catched by an automatic anti-hack script someday and you won't be able to talk yourself out of this situation then.
B) Patch that puts a global cooldown on these abilities (likely if a better known player starts to do it).

It's even more hilarious that even with all the evidence, you continue to believe that this is not legit. Morrow posted earlier that he discovered this 6 months ago and approached the TL admins regarding it - since it's a 1-to-1 binding, it was considered tournament-legal.

Artosis even mentioned in the GSL stream about the "new infestor technique". Consider the implications - if it's not legit, won't GOM issue a statement? Won't Blizzard say something?

dotDash

Sweden142 Posts

February 13 2012 16:43 GMT

#627

I quickly went through all the pages and there's a slight chance I missed it somewhere.. but is this possible to setup during a tournament where you don't sit by your own computer but have your own mouse/keyboard with you?

Peace
Dan

Karu

Germany6 Posts

February 13 2012 18:29 GMT

#628

Well you don't need to worry anymore

When the Snipe nerf goes live all that is left are the infestor spam.
Which is not the big problem tbh - the mass fast snipe is.

*me thinking that this discusion helped to get the snipe nerfed*

Sincerly

SpeshlTectix

United States3 Posts

February 13 2012 19:05 GMT

#629

It would be nice to get an official statement from Blizzard on this. I use a hotkey program to bind Ctrl+F1 to F2. It makes it simpler to select all inactive workers. Is that still a 1-to-1 binding if I have the Control modifier in there? Am I a dirty, filthy cheater? I have some others, too; like I map middle mouse button to Caps Lock so I can pan the camera around without a 3-button mouse.

TheRickster

United States10 Posts

February 13 2012 21:28 GMT

#630

This is an issue in fps games since cod4. People would bind attack to mwup or down. and then with their pistol it would be instant firing unloading a full clip of 12 bullets with one swipe of the finger. It was not banned from the game but most if not all the tournaments did make rules against it.

Grayboosh

United States68 Posts

February 13 2012 21:48 GMT

#631

My thought is, if Blizzard doesn't offer the Left Click action to be a bindable key (which they don't), then the act of binding that action should be illegal. What if a mouse driver permitted the ability to spam multiple left click actions simply by holding down the left mouse button?

It's different because there's no 1:1 action? No, because I can hold down "D" for drones, son.

blackberry_

114 Posts

February 14 2012 00:40 GMT

#632

Any updates on whether Blizzard allows this on ladder?

qwertyindeed

151 Posts

February 14 2012 01:50 GMT

#633

On February 10 2012 13:44 MorroW wrote:
I found out about this over half year ago. Then I went to talk to team liquid admins if they think it's ok to use in tournaments. As it wasn't a macro, just a hot key change they were fine with it.

The reason I'm not using this is because it was very dependant on your hardware. Because I was spamming actions so fast it actually kept listening to those actions seconds after I stopped. So basically it was way too buggy on my computer.
so the buggy part was basically like this. i spammed out snipes like crazy, it worked for about 2 seconds and then all my ghosts went on small cooldown with the snipe, then it started selecting the ultralisks for example instead, and it just kept spam clicking the standard left click select command on whatever i hovered over for a few seconds. so i was giving orders

about 3-4 times quicker than my computer could actually handle in starcraft 2, so scrolling for 1 second gave commands that kept going for about 2-3 more seconds after i stopped scrolling :p

However in the replay on cytos computer (he had stronger computer than mine) after he fixed this too, he managed to reach up to about 3000~ apm in the replay spamming infested terrans xD

increase the vertical scrolling in windows mouse wheel option, it may fix bug. i read something like that for the keyboard too-on reddit

, if you increase repeat rate, you can use all your larva instantly, much faster. the delay between pressing a letter and it the 2nd letter showing up is much shorter

LastDance

New Zealand510 Posts

February 14 2012 06:12 GMT

#634

Destiny MUST see this!

IMoperator

4476 Posts

February 14 2012 06:48 GMT

#635

It isn't even that much of an advantage... no pro uses this.

thesL

United States10 Posts

February 14 2012 06:50 GMT

#636

doesn't work for me the scroll wheel only responds to "one left click" after i scroll it down a bunch. i might have to change my settings but yea the implication this has on the game is revolutionary

cerb

Germany215 Posts

February 14 2012 08:49 GMT

#637

Is there an official statement from Blizzard?
I personally do not believe that this is legal. Why? Because you cannot change this setting within the StarcCraft2 Options and you have to use third party programs, even if it is just your mouse driver.
Probably you will never be banned or warned for it, but there is in my opinion at least a slight risk using that.

DeAnconia

United States22 Posts

February 14 2012 09:05 GMT

#638

On February 14 2012 15:48 IMoperator wrote:
It isn't even that much of an advantage... no pro uses this.

This was mentioned by an earlier poster in this thread, but Nestea appeared to be using it against DRG in the round of 16. Artosis made a comment during his cast as the infested terrans were popping out very fast.. He called the technique 'new'

zeroISM

Japan161 Posts

February 14 2012 10:22 GMT

#639

On February 14 2012 17:49 cerb wrote:
Is there an official statement from Blizzard?
I personally do not believe that this is legal. Why? Because you cannot change this setting within the StarcCraft2 Options and you have to use third party programs, even if it is just your mouse driver.
Probably you will never be banned or warned for it, but there is in my opinion at least a slight risk using that.

This was my thought process as well, but other people mentioned that using a 1-to-1 binding is not illegal at all according to their TOS.

I guess our best bet would be to wait until Blizzard says something on their forums OR follow the rules of big tournaments like MLG or GSL.