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Dogsi
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia298 Posts
February 12 2012 13:51 GMT
#621
... How could they possibly ban you for this? You are not using a macro. You are simply changing the bindings on your keys. If I changed my mouse bindings so that right click is left click and left click is right click, would they have justification for banning me?

What if I change right click to "space bar"?

You can change your bindings. Obviously. Watch any tournament and they will often speak of players needing to change the key bindings to what they are comfortable with.

Even a modicum of rational thought indicates this is nothing "illegal' or against any rules that Blizzard has ever published.
FeiLing
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany428 Posts
February 12 2012 13:59 GMT
#622
Funny how so many people think this is all legit...

I predict one of the two following things to happen now:

A) Nothing. However whoever does this will be catched by an automatic anti-hack script someday and you won't be able to talk yourself out of this situation then.
B) Patch that puts a global cooldown on these abilities (likely if a better known player starts to do it).
meganuff
Profile Joined March 2011
1 Post
February 12 2012 21:53 GMT
#623
dont think its legit.
i mean the whole "its in driver" argument is pretty weak, i can do macro for my KB, dont even need to be complex, just spam 1 key to be 1-1. but thats doesnt means its legal.
it should be fixed, banned by blizzard and all tournaments
Noelani
Profile Joined May 2010
55 Posts
February 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#624
I don't see the difference or why changing left click to mouse wheel is useful? Can some people scroll faster than they can click I guess? I'm not really sure why this is a thread or why anyone cares what key anyone else binds to an action. Use whatever is quickest and most comfortable for you.

Also people calling for banning cuz they don't like other peoples hotkeys are retarded.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
February 12 2012 22:41 GMT
#625
On February 13 2012 07:29 Noelani wrote:
I don't see the difference or why changing left click to mouse wheel is useful? Can some people scroll faster than they can click I guess? I'm not really sure why this is a thread or why anyone cares what key anyone else binds to an action. Use whatever is quickest and most comfortable for you.

Also people calling for banning cuz they don't like other peoples hotkeys are retarded.

......you dont see the difference? Either you haven't watched the Snipe video in the OP, you are completely blind, or youre completely in denial.

Of course you can scroll the mouse scroll faster than you can left click. Each tick on the mouse scroll counts as a left click, so that means if you scroll up completely one time thats probably 10 left clicks in the time it would normally take to do 2 left clicks
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 03:39:27
February 13 2012 03:38 GMT
#626
On February 12 2012 22:59 FeiLing wrote:
Funny how so many people think this is all legit...

I predict one of the two following things to happen now:

A) Nothing. However whoever does this will be catched by an automatic anti-hack script someday and you won't be able to talk yourself out of this situation then.
B) Patch that puts a global cooldown on these abilities (likely if a better known player starts to do it).

It's even more hilarious that even with all the evidence, you continue to believe that this is not legit. Morrow posted earlier that he discovered this 6 months ago and approached the TL admins regarding it - since it's a 1-to-1 binding, it was considered tournament-legal.

Artosis even mentioned in the GSL stream about the "new infestor technique". Consider the implications - if it's not legit, won't GOM issue a statement? Won't Blizzard say something?
dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
February 13 2012 16:43 GMT
#627
I quickly went through all the pages and there's a slight chance I missed it somewhere.. but is this possible to setup during a tournament where you don't sit by your own computer but have your own mouse/keyboard with you?

Peace
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Karu
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany6 Posts
February 13 2012 18:29 GMT
#628
Well you don't need to worry anymore

When the Snipe nerf goes live all that is left are the infestor spam.
Which is not the big problem tbh - the mass fast snipe is.

*me thinking that this discusion helped to get the snipe nerfed*


Sincerly
SpeshlTectix
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
February 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#629
It would be nice to get an official statement from Blizzard on this. I use a hotkey program to bind Ctrl+F1 to F2. It makes it simpler to select all inactive workers. Is that still a 1-to-1 binding if I have the Control modifier in there? Am I a dirty, filthy cheater? I have some others, too; like I map middle mouse button to Caps Lock so I can pan the camera around without a 3-button mouse.
TheRickster
Profile Joined June 2011
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 21:29:53
February 13 2012 21:28 GMT
#630
This is an issue in fps games since cod4. People would bind attack to mwup or down. and then with their pistol it would be instant firing unloading a full clip of 12 bullets with one swipe of the finger. It was not banned from the game but most if not all the tournaments did make rules against it.
Grayboosh
Profile Joined March 2011
United States68 Posts
February 13 2012 21:48 GMT
#631
My thought is, if Blizzard doesn't offer the Left Click action to be a bindable key (which they don't), then the act of binding that action should be illegal. What if a mouse driver permitted the ability to spam multiple left click actions simply by holding down the left mouse button?

It's different because there's no 1:1 action? No, because I can hold down "D" for drones, son.
You're goin down gray bush.
blackberry_
Profile Joined September 2011
114 Posts
February 14 2012 00:40 GMT
#632
Any updates on whether Blizzard allows this on ladder?
Live your life.
qwertyindeed
Profile Joined November 2010
151 Posts
February 14 2012 01:50 GMT
#633
On February 10 2012 13:44 MorroW wrote:
I found out about this over half year ago. Then I went to talk to team liquid admins if they think it's ok to use in tournaments. As it wasn't a macro, just a hot key change they were fine with it.

The reason I'm not using this is because it was very dependant on your hardware. Because I was spamming actions so fast it actually kept listening to those actions seconds after I stopped. So basically it was way too buggy on my computer.
so the buggy part was basically like this. i spammed out snipes like crazy, it worked for about 2 seconds and then all my ghosts went on small cooldown with the snipe, then it started selecting the ultralisks for example instead, and it just kept spam clicking the standard left click select command on whatever i hovered over for a few seconds. so i was giving orders

about 3-4 times quicker than my computer could actually handle in starcraft 2, so scrolling for 1 second gave commands that kept going for about 2-3 more seconds after i stopped scrolling :p

However in the replay on cytos computer (he had stronger computer than mine) after he fixed this too, he managed to reach up to about 3000~ apm in the replay spamming infested terrans xD

increase the vertical scrolling in windows mouse wheel option, it may fix bug. i read something like that for the keyboard too-on reddit , if you increase repeat rate, you can use all your larva instantly, much faster. the delay between pressing a letter and it the 2nd letter showing up is much shorter
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
February 14 2012 06:12 GMT
#634
Destiny MUST see this!
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 14 2012 06:48 GMT
#635
It isn't even that much of an advantage... no pro uses this.
thesL
Profile Joined February 2012
United States10 Posts
February 14 2012 06:50 GMT
#636
doesn't work for me the scroll wheel only responds to "one left click" after i scroll it down a bunch. i might have to change my settings but yea the implication this has on the game is revolutionary
cerb
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany215 Posts
February 14 2012 08:49 GMT
#637
Is there an official statement from Blizzard?
I personally do not believe that this is legal. Why? Because you cannot change this setting within the StarcCraft2 Options and you have to use third party programs, even if it is just your mouse driver.
Probably you will never be banned or warned for it, but there is in my opinion at least a slight risk using that.
DeAnconia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States22 Posts
February 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#638
On February 14 2012 15:48 IMoperator wrote:
It isn't even that much of an advantage... no pro uses this.


This was mentioned by an earlier poster in this thread, but Nestea appeared to be using it against DRG in the round of 16. Artosis made a comment during his cast as the infested terrans were popping out very fast.. He called the technique 'new'

zeroISM
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan161 Posts
February 14 2012 10:22 GMT
#639
On February 14 2012 17:49 cerb wrote:
Is there an official statement from Blizzard?
I personally do not believe that this is legal. Why? Because you cannot change this setting within the StarcCraft2 Options and you have to use third party programs, even if it is just your mouse driver.
Probably you will never be banned or warned for it, but there is in my opinion at least a slight risk using that.


This was my thought process as well, but other people mentioned that using a 1-to-1 binding is not illegal at all according to their TOS.

I guess our best bet would be to wait until Blizzard says something on their forums OR follow the rules of big tournaments like MLG or GSL.
♘
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
February 14 2012 10:26 GMT
#640
Holy shit I tried this and noticed shit loads of improvement for my gameplay thank you so much!
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