• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:40
CEST 09:40
KST 16:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call7[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!23Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week2Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft2 player guess game is Coming~! SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 BW General Discussion Looking 4 Yaroslav: Enemy, Korchagin, WCG, Ukraine Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F Brood War in Budapest ! WORTEX 2026 BW Finals [ASL22] Ro24 Group E Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3809 users

Infested Terran trick. By using mousewheel - Page 34

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 Next All
-ReMeDy-
Profile Joined June 2010
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 03:01:41
February 22 2012 02:59 GMT
#661
What I'm curious about is at certain live in-person tournaments, dont you sometimes have to use official computers supplied by the tournament? I think the majority of tournmanents this is not the case, but let's say one does this. Now all of a sudden you need to break out of this mouse scroll habit, which will effect your play.
"Every minute outside SC is a minute someone else improves."
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
February 22 2012 03:02 GMT
#662
On February 22 2012 11:59 -ReMeDy- wrote:
What I'm curious about is at certain live in-person tournaments, dont you sometimes have to use official computers supplied by the tournament? I think the majority of tournmanents this is not the case, but let's say one does this. Now all of a sudden you need to break out of this mouse scroll habit, which will effect your play.

All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to.
-ReMeDy-
Profile Joined June 2010
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 03:07:17
February 22 2012 03:06 GMT
#663
On February 22 2012 12:02 Azzur wrote:All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to.


Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too?
"Every minute outside SC is a minute someone else improves."
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
February 22 2012 03:09 GMT
#664
On February 22 2012 12:06 -ReMeDy- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 12:02 Azzur wrote:All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to.


Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too?

tournaments let you install your mouse drivers

this functionality is built into many the drivers of many high profile gaming accessories such as razer
aaaaa
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 03:44:13
February 22 2012 03:41 GMT
#665
On February 22 2012 11:45 InfDelta wrote:
people are talking about a third party program but i use a razer mouse and at lans you can use your mouse drivers so could that make it legal

No, whether it's a circuit, software in the mouse, or software in the computer, it's all still automation. The rule Blizzard has specified has been mentioned various times: 1 electronic action per 1 physical action (although as far as I know it seems that there's an exception with repeating the same key in succession, which is understandable considering that holding down a keyboard key provides that effect)
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 22 2012 04:23 GMT
#666
My mouse doesnt even need drivers installed on the comp. It saves my profiles to the mouse.
Lephex
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany153 Posts
February 22 2012 04:45 GMT
#667
I love this using warpins Mid- to late Game PvX, it just feels so much more smoothly!!
There are three types of people in this world: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 05:14:35
February 22 2012 05:14 GMT
#668
On February 22 2012 12:06 -ReMeDy- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 12:02 Azzur wrote:All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to.


Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too?

Yes - in those tournaments, you are supposed to bring your own mouse driver as well. See the below straight from GOM's website: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582
Equipment and Other Rules

All players must arrive at the tournament venue no later than 15 minutes prior to the start of the game.

All players are allowed 15 minutes to adjust their personal settings.

All players are allowed to user their personal equipment.

The list of the personal equipment allowed is as follows:
1) Keyboard
2) Mouse
3) Mouse Pad
4) Mouse Stand
5) Earphone
6) Mouse Driver

Player must use the Wide LCD monitor provided by GOMTV. (Player is able to adjust the resolution or graphic option.)

Player must use the computer provided by GOMTV.

All players must put on the earphone first then put on the headset provided by GOMTV.
Areon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States273 Posts
February 22 2012 05:30 GMT
#669
Good Lord, that is all kinds of awesome. Thanks for the sick find I have to try this.
foxx1337
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany10 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 11:53:17
February 27 2012 11:51 GMT
#670
I had 2 DeathAdders that simply broke - issuing double clicks every time I clicked. So it's legal and unenforceable. Also, nobody would stop me from building my own mouse, with its own logic, be it "left click for each millimeter of horizontal travel" or something more advanced. So again, not enforceable. A driver setting (as long as it doesn't involve a Windows mouse event hook) is proper usage and something to level the field. Furthermore, going to something like AutoHotkey is more of that "leveling the field".

Also, keyboard drivers that issue macros do that by injecting Windows keyboard hooks into the target applications. That is cheat-detectable. It's how AutoHotkey, FRAPS, Daemon Tools, antivirus software works. Given the nature of the general-purpose computer, GetPixel() and SendEvent(WM_KEY*) should be enough to create an undetectable perfect AI.

Nothing to see here, move along, use it if you feel like it helps, though the effect should be minimal. I, personally, don't like the feeling of the scroll wheel, and I won't be using this at my Platinum level.
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
February 27 2012 22:42 GMT
#671
On February 22 2012 12:06 -ReMeDy- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 12:02 Azzur wrote:All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to.


Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too?


Not necessarily. There's hardware level drivers on your mouse a lot of times too. That, and firmware.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Gravity3
Profile Joined June 2011
Bulgaria17 Posts
February 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#672
Okay , someone should PM explain to me how this is right and making macros on your keyboard is wrong.
Actually, don't do that i don't care , they both take no skill and i am strictly against them, please don't abuse
this, if Blizzard wanted us to use scroll wheel as a hotkey they would've made it possible like in CounterStrike.
Scan the island.
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
February 27 2012 23:14 GMT
#673
On February 28 2012 07:49 Gravity3 wrote:
Okay , someone should PM explain to me how this is right and making macros on your keyboard is wrong.
Actually, don't do that i don't care , they both take no skill and i am strictly against them, please don't abuse
this, if Blizzard wanted us to use scroll wheel as a hotkey they would've made it possible like in CounterStrike.


A macro is a feature that allows you to submit multiple actions with one click of a single button.
Like i can do A-B-C-D-E-F with a macro.

Scrolling is one-action-a-time. Every step you scroll, is just one scroll, one mouse click.
So if I scroll once I get A.
If I scroll for longer periods I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

If I click the button A once, I get A.
If I hold the button A, I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Rebinding the scroll wheel from zoom, to left mouse button still issues one action at a time.
I dont get how you can compare it to a macro, which is a multiple action holder.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Gravity3
Profile Joined June 2011
Bulgaria17 Posts
February 28 2012 10:30 GMT
#674
On February 28 2012 08:14 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 07:49 Gravity3 wrote:
Okay , someone should PM explain to me how this is right and making macros on your keyboard is wrong.
Actually, don't do that i don't care , they both take no skill and i am strictly against them, please don't abuse
this, if Blizzard wanted us to use scroll wheel as a hotkey they would've made it possible like in CounterStrike.


A macro is a feature that allows you to submit multiple actions with one click of a single button.
Like i can do A-B-C-D-E-F with a macro.

Scrolling is one-action-a-time. Every step you scroll, is just one scroll, one mouse click.
So if I scroll once I get A.
If I scroll for longer periods I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

If I click the button A once, I get A.
If I hold the button A, I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Rebinding the scroll wheel from zoom, to left mouse button still issues one action at a time.
I dont get how you can compare it to a macro, which is a multiple action holder.

Bro , didn't i just say that i didn't care, what's wrong with you and your dumb mouse scroll wheel.Just use the newbie trick and keep sucking at Starcraft2.It doesn't take any skill ,you're not even clever if you use,it you are just a noob. Just as i said in my previous comment if Blizzard wanted us to use mouse scroll wheel they would've fuckin let us in the hotkey options, so ignorant ...lol
Scan the island.
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 10:48:04
February 28 2012 10:47 GMT
#675
Too many people are ignoring a reiterated fact of this trick not even being necessary with shift queued infestor spam
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 11:21:51
February 28 2012 11:06 GMT
#676
--- Nuked ---
Gravity3
Profile Joined June 2011
Bulgaria17 Posts
February 28 2012 20:16 GMT
#677
On February 28 2012 20:06 monkybone wrote:
If you see game 2 of Nestea vs Naniwa in Losers Bracket Round 3 in the MLG winter arena, at 23:00, Nestea seems to be using the mouse wheel trick for his infestors. Characteristically for this method, every infested Terran is launched in a single spot, distributing themselves as close to it as possible. Also, every infestor launch infested terrans simulaneously, something which doesn't happen the same way with queue shift+click. The reason is that the queued up move command must finish before infested terrans will be launched, and not every infestor will end their move command simultaneously, hence a slight delay.

Don't sweep it under the carpet, this saves a lot of APM. Mouse wheel launching infested terrans takes no more work than a single click, but shift queue requires a lot of clicks, and quite a bit more time, especially in a battle. You simply can't decide to launch 30 infested terrans the instant you decide to with the shift queue method.

But seriously, people are exaggerating the impact of this method. You are "strictly against it because it requires no skill"? What kind of skill are we talking about, clicking really fast? That's ridiculous.

I understand what you're saying ,but if we overlook every trick that people can abuse in this game it's going to become a problem. It all adds up and suddenly some guy that has all the cool drivers and peripherals will have a distinct advantage over others.
Scan the island.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 20:50:44
February 28 2012 20:50 GMT
#678
--- Nuked ---
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
February 28 2012 22:04 GMT
#679
MLG's rules for this just-completed Winter Arena prohibited changes to the mouse drivers for effects such as this. So, while it's true that people bring their own mice, which have drivers that need to be installed on the computer, MLG's rules prohibit making such changes within the driver.

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/29#event_87_archive-rules-format-maps-etc

Equipment Rules

1. Players must provide their own mouse, keyboard, headset, and mouse pad. Players must use the PC and Monitor provided by MLG.
2. Players must provide their own Battle.net account, with an active Starcraft 2 license, for the North America (NA) Region.
3. Please submit all mouse, keyboard, and headset driver requirements to kkramer@mlgpro.com by 11:59 PM ET on Thursday, February 23rd.
4. All Player equipment is subject to approval.
5. Headsets must utilize a standard 3.5mm stereo headset jack with a separate 3.5mm microphone jack. Players may not use USB headsets.
6. Mice and keyboards must utilize standard USB interfaces. Players may not use PS2 interface equipment.
7. Players may not use 3rd party Add-ons.
8. Players may not alter game files or modify drivers.
9. Players may not disable the “Save All Replays” Gameplay Option, remove a replay, or copy a replay.
10. Players may not watch a replay while at a Tournament Station.
11. Players may not have applications, browsers, or streams open other than the Starcraft 2 launcher or application and any necessary drivers.
12. Players may not change the Computer/Monitor sound and video settings in Windows.
13. Players who break Equipment Rules #5-12 will be given a Warning. Each subsequent Warning that a Player receives will result in a Forfeit of the Game (See Gameplay Rule #12).
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
February 28 2012 22:08 GMT
#680
On February 29 2012 05:50 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 05:16 Gravity3 wrote:
I understand what you're saying ,but if we overlook every trick that people can abuse in this game it's going to become a problem. It all adds up and suddenly some guy that has all the cool drivers and peripherals will have a distinct advantage over others.


Perhaps, but not in this case. Drivers and such offers only a limited array of benefits, like hotkey rebindings, in order to interact more smoothly with the game. It can't give you benefits which doesn't require the clicks that actually go into it. Say, you can't have a driver making your marines spread automatically, or your roaches making a concave. Neither will drivers ping your minimap when enemies are in vision, or maintain continuous SCV production. That would require a hack. The advantages skilled players have due to superior control and awareness just can't be bought through things as simple as hotkey rebindings or equipment. A plat player is a plat player no matter how much cool stuff he has.


Technically, you could set up a driver for constant worker production, by having a macro which repeats every however many seconds. This is, however, against the ToS. Not that I do this, (I don't), but a macro could trigger a control group and issue the command to make a worker. Then when you have enough workers, simply change what is bound in that control group so something like a supply depot, so it would effectively be 'turned off'. This is pretty bad as you will no doubt be in the middle of doing other things when this triggers, but technically, it is possible.
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Soma 238
Dewaltoss 121
Mind 81
ZergMaN 9
Dota 2
Pyrionflax50
League of Legends
JimRising 601
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss442
Other Games
ceh9522
WinterStarcraft384
Mew2King206
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV214
• lizZardDota2136
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
2h 20m
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
WardiTV Invitational
3h 20m
ByuN vs TBD
SHIN vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
Patches Events
8h 20m
Replay Cast
16h 20m
The PondCast
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
GSL
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.