EPTInfested Terran trick. By using mousewheel - Page 34
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-ReMeDy-
United States46 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:59 -ReMeDy- wrote: What I'm curious about is at certain live in-person tournaments, dont you sometimes have to use official computers supplied by the tournament? I think the majority of tournmanents this is not the case, but let's say one does this. Now all of a sudden you need to break out of this mouse scroll habit, which will effect your play. All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to. | ||
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-ReMeDy-
United States46 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:02 Azzur wrote:All the top tournaments allow you to bring your own keyboard + mice. It's not fair for a LAN tournament to enforce someone playing a equipment they are not used to. Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too? | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:06 -ReMeDy- wrote: Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too? tournaments let you install your mouse drivers this functionality is built into many the drivers of many high profile gaming accessories such as razer | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:45 InfDelta wrote: people are talking about a third party program but i use a razer mouse and at lans you can use your mouse drivers so could that make it legal No, whether it's a circuit, software in the mouse, or software in the computer, it's all still automation. The rule Blizzard has specified has been mentioned various times: 1 electronic action per 1 physical action (although as far as I know it seems that there's an exception with repeating the same key in succession, which is understandable considering that holding down a keyboard key provides that effect) | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Lephex
Germany153 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:06 -ReMeDy- wrote: Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too? Yes - in those tournaments, you are supposed to bring your own mouse driver as well. See the below straight from GOM's website: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582 Equipment and Other Rules All players must arrive at the tournament venue no later than 15 minutes prior to the start of the game. All players are allowed 15 minutes to adjust their personal settings. All players are allowed to user their personal equipment. The list of the personal equipment allowed is as follows: 1) Keyboard 2) Mouse 3) Mouse Pad 4) Mouse Stand 5) Earphone 6) Mouse Driver Player must use the Wide LCD monitor provided by GOMTV. (Player is able to adjust the resolution or graphic option.) Player must use the computer provided by GOMTV. All players must put on the earphone first then put on the headset provided by GOMTV. | ||
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Areon
United States273 Posts
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foxx1337
Germany10 Posts
Also, keyboard drivers that issue macros do that by injecting Windows keyboard hooks into the target applications. That is cheat-detectable. It's how AutoHotkey, FRAPS, Daemon Tools, antivirus software works. Given the nature of the general-purpose computer, GetPixel() and SendEvent(WM_KEY*) should be enough to create an undetectable perfect AI. Nothing to see here, move along, use it if you feel like it helps, though the effect should be minimal. I, personally, don't like the feeling of the scroll wheel, and I won't be using this at my Platinum level. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:06 -ReMeDy- wrote: Keyboard and mice, yea, but what about an entire tower case? After all, that's where the scroll up/down software is stored. Is that fine too? Not necessarily. There's hardware level drivers on your mouse a lot of times too. That, and firmware. | ||
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Gravity3
Bulgaria17 Posts
Actually, don't do that i don't care , they both take no skill and i am strictly against them, please don't abuse this, if Blizzard wanted us to use scroll wheel as a hotkey they would've made it possible like in CounterStrike. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On February 28 2012 07:49 Gravity3 wrote: Okay , someone should PM explain to me how this is right and making macros on your keyboard is wrong. Actually, don't do that i don't care , they both take no skill and i am strictly against them, please don't abuse this, if Blizzard wanted us to use scroll wheel as a hotkey they would've made it possible like in CounterStrike. A macro is a feature that allows you to submit multiple actions with one click of a single button. Like i can do A-B-C-D-E-F with a macro. Scrolling is one-action-a-time. Every step you scroll, is just one scroll, one mouse click. So if I scroll once I get A. If I scroll for longer periods I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. If I click the button A once, I get A. If I hold the button A, I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Rebinding the scroll wheel from zoom, to left mouse button still issues one action at a time. I dont get how you can compare it to a macro, which is a multiple action holder. | ||
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Gravity3
Bulgaria17 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:14 kaluro wrote: A macro is a feature that allows you to submit multiple actions with one click of a single button. Like i can do A-B-C-D-E-F with a macro. Scrolling is one-action-a-time. Every step you scroll, is just one scroll, one mouse click. So if I scroll once I get A. If I scroll for longer periods I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. If I click the button A once, I get A. If I hold the button A, I get AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Rebinding the scroll wheel from zoom, to left mouse button still issues one action at a time. I dont get how you can compare it to a macro, which is a multiple action holder. Bro , didn't i just say that i didn't care, what's wrong with you and your dumb mouse scroll wheel.Just use the newbie trick and keep sucking at Starcraft2.It doesn't take any skill ,you're not even clever if you use,it you are just a noob. Just as i said in my previous comment if Blizzard wanted us to use mouse scroll wheel they would've fuckin let us in the hotkey options, so ignorant ...lol | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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Account252508
3454 Posts
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Gravity3
Bulgaria17 Posts
On February 28 2012 20:06 monkybone wrote: If you see game 2 of Nestea vs Naniwa in Losers Bracket Round 3 in the MLG winter arena, at 23:00, Nestea seems to be using the mouse wheel trick for his infestors. Characteristically for this method, every infested Terran is launched in a single spot, distributing themselves as close to it as possible. Also, every infestor launch infested terrans simulaneously, something which doesn't happen the same way with queue shift+click. The reason is that the queued up move command must finish before infested terrans will be launched, and not every infestor will end their move command simultaneously, hence a slight delay. Don't sweep it under the carpet, this saves a lot of APM. Mouse wheel launching infested terrans takes no more work than a single click, but shift queue requires a lot of clicks, and quite a bit more time, especially in a battle. You simply can't decide to launch 30 infested terrans the instant you decide to with the shift queue method. But seriously, people are exaggerating the impact of this method. You are "strictly against it because it requires no skill"? What kind of skill are we talking about, clicking really fast? That's ridiculous. I understand what you're saying ,but if we overlook every trick that people can abuse in this game it's going to become a problem. It all adds up and suddenly some guy that has all the cool drivers and peripherals will have a distinct advantage over others. | ||
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Account252508
3454 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/29#event_87_archive-rules-format-maps-etc Equipment Rules 1. Players must provide their own mouse, keyboard, headset, and mouse pad. Players must use the PC and Monitor provided by MLG. 2. Players must provide their own Battle.net account, with an active Starcraft 2 license, for the North America (NA) Region. 3. Please submit all mouse, keyboard, and headset driver requirements to kkramer@mlgpro.com by 11:59 PM ET on Thursday, February 23rd. 4. All Player equipment is subject to approval. 5. Headsets must utilize a standard 3.5mm stereo headset jack with a separate 3.5mm microphone jack. Players may not use USB headsets. 6. Mice and keyboards must utilize standard USB interfaces. Players may not use PS2 interface equipment. 7. Players may not use 3rd party Add-ons. 8. Players may not alter game files or modify drivers. 9. Players may not disable the “Save All Replays” Gameplay Option, remove a replay, or copy a replay. 10. Players may not watch a replay while at a Tournament Station. 11. Players may not have applications, browsers, or streams open other than the Starcraft 2 launcher or application and any necessary drivers. 12. Players may not change the Computer/Monitor sound and video settings in Windows. 13. Players who break Equipment Rules #5-12 will be given a Warning. Each subsequent Warning that a Player receives will result in a Forfeit of the Game (See Gameplay Rule #12). | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:50 monkybone wrote: Perhaps, but not in this case. Drivers and such offers only a limited array of benefits, like hotkey rebindings, in order to interact more smoothly with the game. It can't give you benefits which doesn't require the clicks that actually go into it. Say, you can't have a driver making your marines spread automatically, or your roaches making a concave. Neither will drivers ping your minimap when enemies are in vision, or maintain continuous SCV production. That would require a hack. The advantages skilled players have due to superior control and awareness just can't be bought through things as simple as hotkey rebindings or equipment. A plat player is a plat player no matter how much cool stuff he has. Technically, you could set up a driver for constant worker production, by having a macro which repeats every however many seconds. This is, however, against the ToS. Not that I do this, (I don't), but a macro could trigger a control group and issue the command to make a worker. Then when you have enough workers, simply change what is bound in that control group so something like a supply depot, so it would effectively be 'turned off'. This is pretty bad as you will no doubt be in the middle of doing other things when this triggers, but technically, it is possible. | ||
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