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Magus.421
Profile Joined November 2011
France159 Posts
February 09 2012 10:20 GMT
#561
I confirm. Nestea used this trick against DRG. So it's seems to be allowed everywhere.

I asked the blizzard client service (the french one), i just got a "common" response. It's something like "you can bind action everywhere you want but you must keep one action by button".
No whine, just play.
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
February 09 2012 10:21 GMT
#562
just watched the nestea game. he did standard normal mass clicking infested terrans.

nestea did not use this trick

the speed at which neasteas IT's were flying out was much slower than what is possible with this trick
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 10:24:24
February 09 2012 10:22 GMT
#563
Anyways, an important figure such as Artosis would undoubtedly have checked with Blizzard + tournament organisers about the legality of the mousewheel scroll. Thus, I'm 100% convinced (as I mentioned earlier in the thread) that this move is tournament-legal.

Until Blizzard or tournaments decide to explicitly ban it, anyone who thinks otherwise is just wrong.
Kvz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States463 Posts
February 09 2012 10:26 GMT
#564
artosis is retarded, he didnt scroll wheel. in fact you can see his queued up green shift click arrows.
NrG.Kvz
sunnata
Profile Joined February 2008
Russian Federation228 Posts
February 09 2012 10:26 GMT
#565
I don't think so too. "Tricks" that are achievable only by using some 3rd party software (not SCII options menu) should be definetly banned.
Only way to know the future is to make it.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
February 09 2012 11:04 GMT
#566
People are not thinking it through well enough - whether Nestea did the trick or not is immaterial - the fact is, Artosis mentioned the trick himself on stream means that it's acceptable. Undoubtedly, Artosis would've contacted GOM/Blizzard/Other tournament organisers and asked about the validity of it. If it's not valid, surely he wouldn't have mentioned it on stream or some statement made.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
February 09 2012 11:28 GMT
#567
On February 09 2012 20:04 Azzur wrote:
Undoubtedly, Artosis would've contacted GOM/Blizzard/Other tournament organisers and asked about the validity of it. If it's not valid, surely he wouldn't have mentioned it on stream or some statement made.


No. Artosis doesn't run everything he considers saying in a cast by Blizzard before he even comes up with it.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
February 09 2012 11:37 GMT
#568
I think it's pretty much the same as using a macro. It's not really a 1:1 keybind change because 1 action (mouse scroll) produces many left clicks, especially for free-spinning mouse wheels.
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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
February 09 2012 11:43 GMT
#569
Why don't someone create a thread over at the official forums and simply ask if it's bannable or not?
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
February 09 2012 12:08 GMT
#570
Am I the only one who remember this was discovered like a year back?
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Magus.421
Profile Joined November 2011
France159 Posts
February 09 2012 13:48 GMT
#571
On February 09 2012 20:43 decaf wrote:
Why don't someone create a thread over at the official forums and simply ask if it's bannable or not?


It's already done. I think there's a thread on each blizzard forum (fr, us, en, kr, etc ...). Absolutely no response from blizzard.
No whine, just play.
Capiachi
Profile Joined October 2010
78 Posts
February 09 2012 14:19 GMT
#572
On February 09 2012 07:54 TheNessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 07:51 RoyAlex wrote:
On February 09 2012 07:48 TheNessman wrote:
On February 09 2012 07:46 RoyAlex wrote:
On February 09 2012 07:43 TheNessman wrote:
On February 09 2012 07:42 RoyAlex wrote:
On February 09 2012 07:34 TheNessman wrote:
I want to point out the subtelty that i think a lot of people are missing with the 1 to 1 key rebinding. The difference is that every single thing on your computer is a BUTTON except for the scroll wheel! it is a wheel, not a button, it is supposed to be used a bunch at one time, where as a button has to be pressed repeatedly to be used over and over again. scroll wheels are designed to have one motion (one scroll) == a bunch of equivalent key pressings.

how many times do you "scroll" to get to the bottom of the page? now how many times do you have to press the DOWN ARROW? and how long did those take you?

a wheel is INHERENTLY DIFFERENT than a button. This is something I feel a lot of people are over looking.


You can still bind Mouse button 1 to a keyboard button and adjust the repeat delay for that key and just hold that down istead of scrolling. Since keyboard button repeats itself unlike the left & right mouse buttons you can just hold it down and it will actually click faster than a scroll wheel would do.

Like this guy:

On February 09 2012 01:03 Spacedude wrote:
This keyboard re-map method does give you more control over your mouse movement while mass casting spells, I feel - It's more comfortable than using the scroll wheel. It might be slightly slower than the wheel, tho?, with the 31 actions limit, anyhow.

I use this code in Autohotkey for it:

''*<::
SetKeyDelay -1
Send {Blind}{Lbutton DownTemp}
return''

'<' being the key on the keyboard



oh then why isn't this a problem with holding down the key? also idk if you could hold down keys in bw hahahaha never tried ti

HM OH RIGHT they were talking about the delay from when you have the key pressed once before it starts repeating.

the thing is is that scroll wheels don't have that.


You can remove the inital repeat delay and then you can use keyboard keys just as fast as you can with scroll wheel.
I said that in my post: "adjust the repeat delay for that key".

you CANNOT remove the initial repeat delay through control panel. which is the only way it is legit to me. If you remove it completely thats HACKING


You can set it lower in control panel...
You can even set it lower in regedit.exe, Microsoft just never bothered to put it lower in control panel. If you use MAC, you can use the terminal to set it just as low as you can in regedit in Windows. Is Online tournaments going to ban starcraft 2 on MAC?

lol name 1 pro that plays on a mac

idk this is getting into the debate of how much hardware / software modification should be allowed. IDK the answer to that, I just feel like a wheel and a button are distinct enough to create a.... distinction. aka you can't just use them the same!


The game is still exactly the same on Mac... Im sure there are pro's that play on mac, however I can imagine many of them going over to a PC just because thats what tournaments use for their events.

That comment just made snap. Like a mousepad or keyboard or anything of that sort has anything to do with MVP(insert random pro here) being as good as he is.
Blacktiger.jona
Profile Joined August 2011
13 Posts
February 09 2012 15:42 GMT
#573


You say mineral line one-shot ?
Magus.421
Profile Joined November 2011
France159 Posts
February 09 2012 15:57 GMT
#574
All the stuff in this movie is already possible. It just take a little more time to do and a little more "skill" to target units.
No whine, just play.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
February 09 2012 16:26 GMT
#575
On February 10 2012 00:42 Blacktiger.jona wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3UNsxphe0

You say mineral line one-shot ?


This doesn't really show the balance of scroll clicking. In a real battle there would be infestors and the rest of z army+ your marines tanks and vikings to micro+ you wouldn't be able to que it up like that as you wouldn't have sight of their army.
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stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
February 09 2012 16:35 GMT
#576
On February 10 2012 01:26 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 00:42 Blacktiger.jona wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3UNsxphe0

You say mineral line one-shot ?


This doesn't really show the balance of scroll clicking. In a real battle there would be infestors and the rest of z army+ your marines tanks and vikings to micro+ you wouldn't be able to que it up like that as you wouldn't have sight of their army.


Im having a hard time understanding how this is any worse than a storm drop orr burrowed infestor fungal spamming the mineral line. You know how many games ive lost to 2 or 3 fungals in my mineral line just wiping out ALL of my scv's? And you are gonna complain that somebody has to use two ghosts to snipe scv's ONE AT A TIME? Get real dude.
paschl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany666 Posts
February 09 2012 18:15 GMT
#577
so should i also be banned because i rebound the sidebuttons on my mouse to 6/7 and use them for hotkeys?
all i did was change it in my logitech drivers.
sketch.one
Profile Joined March 2010
United States9 Posts
February 09 2012 18:25 GMT
#578
On February 08 2012 09:41 blackberry_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 09:31 sketch.one wrote:
it's unfortunate that i don't use a mouse to play sc2 and have no scroll wheel. :|

Do you play on a touchpad?


i use a wacom tablet. more used to it than a mouse. :D
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stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
February 09 2012 19:13 GMT
#579
On February 10 2012 03:15 paschl wrote:
so should i also be banned because i rebound the sidebuttons on my mouse to 6/7 and use them for hotkeys?
all i did was change it in my logitech drivers.


Omg that is such an amazing idea!
ElmOaid
Profile Joined June 2011
Sudan41 Posts
February 09 2012 19:34 GMT
#580
Ur awesome.
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