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statikg
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada930 Posts
December 17 2011 03:53 GMT
#1
I don't know if this really qualifies for its own thread but I will post anyway and see if it gets deleted.

Have you guys ever noticed that when you have a bunch of ghosts, your fighting brood infestor and your all psyced too go, you hold down r and start spamming your face off.......except somehow you deselect your ghosts, so you do it again, same result and you die a horrible confused as to how the pros do it death.

Well I noticed today that for some reason, after you hold r and left click on your target for the very first snipe, you then wait half a second, and then you can spam snipe as fast as you want this problem will not occur.

This inexplicable problem has really screwed me over in many ZvTs and I just couldnt figure out why it was happening. Anyway this will solve it if it happens to you!
-Dustin-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States718 Posts
December 17 2011 03:56 GMT
#2
Yes its the same way with FFs if you don't wait for a split second you will just select their army, If you haven't already set your keyboard repeat rate to max I recommend it. Its in your control panel, it makes the delay just a little shorter.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
December 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#3
Hmmm thank you for pointing this out...will go try
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 04:05:48
December 17 2011 04:02 GMT
#4
It's the same with Force Fields.
Maybe you haven't ever noticed before, but if you hold "S" down on your keyboard in Notepad or any where else where you write text it will also take about half a second before you will see S quickly repeat in the text editor.

Windows has about half a second delay before it repeats the key you are pressing on the keyboard by default.
You can change the time before repeat in the Control Panel, or if you want it really low or just very specific, you can write the exact ms before the key repeats in regedit. It's called Keyboard repeat delay.. if I remember correctly.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
December 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#5
Yeah I think I noticed this a few times when I am fungal growthing (herp derp)
Not that big of a deal with fungal growth but I can imagine it being a big deal with force fields and maybe EMP.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 17 2011 04:09 GMT
#6
Oh good find. Didnt notice this before
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dicedicerevolution
Profile Joined October 2009
United States245 Posts
December 17 2011 04:12 GMT
#7
I believe the reason you have to wait a half a second is because this is how long your keyboard repeater rate takes to "kick in".

Basically anytime you press and hold down a spell like Snipe, you're essentially relying on your keyboard to spam the hotkey command instead of you manually tapping the hotkey. Depending on your keyboard and keyboard settings in Windows, the time it takes for the keyboard to start spamming the hotkey can take that half a second.

RoyAlex hit it on the dot, I'm just trying to clarify any remaining confusion.
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
December 17 2011 04:26 GMT
#8
I did not know this. Now that I do know this, I do want to make the delay as low as possible. I can't seem to find where to change it. I used the Windows search bar to search for "keyboard repeat delay" and I went to keyboard properties, but I couldn't find it. Help? ^^
Fear219
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom168 Posts
December 17 2011 04:29 GMT
#9
@Wunsun

Control Panel -> Keyboard -> Repeat Delay
NoisyNinja
Profile Joined February 2011
United States991 Posts
December 17 2011 05:02 GMT
#10
I've seen this somewhere before, but this is a much better explanation.
LantisPlay
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Singapore53 Posts
December 17 2011 05:05 GMT
#11
Hmm, this seems to be helpful. Thanks for the find! :D
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
December 17 2011 05:24 GMT
#12
Hm, this'll be useful for lobbing infested terrans. Danke!
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 17 2011 05:36 GMT
#13
On December 17 2011 14:24 ClysmiC wrote:
Hm, this'll be useful for lobbing infested terrans. Danke!

I could see this being applicable with Ghost Snipe, but why Infested Terrans ? In that case, couldn't you simply hit the button and hold shift and spam away, as Infestors have no attack ?
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
December 17 2011 05:42 GMT
#14
So in short,

- select ghosts
- press r and click first target
- wait 1 second
- spam r

?

just want to confirm
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 05:49:01
December 17 2011 05:45 GMT
#15
The reason it deselects is because holding down a button doesn't repeat it right away. It will take like 0.3 seconds or so. Test it by pressing a button on your keyboard and holding it down in this reply box.

Like the 2nd person said, set your repeat rate to fastest and shortest time required to repeat. Id recommend this to every zerg and everyone else who holds down buttons to macro or spellcast.

Also sometimes the repeat button isn't fast enough to keep up with your clicking so be conscious that sometimes it will deselect if you click too fast EVEN if your keyboard is repeating quickly. Happened to me before
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
statikg
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada930 Posts
December 17 2011 06:55 GMT
#16
On December 17 2011 14:42 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
So in short,

- select ghosts
- press r and click first target
- wait 1 second
- spam r

?

just want to confirm


No,

select ghosts
HOLD r and click first target
wait
spam click while holding r as fast as you can
dark0dave
Profile Joined November 2010
179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 16:16:05
February 08 2012 16:09 GMT
#17
+ Show Spoiler +
It's the same with Force Fields.
Maybe you haven't ever noticed before, but if you hold "S" down on your keyboard in Notepad or any where else where you write text it will also take about half a second before you will see S quickly repeat in the text editor.

Windows has about half a second delay before it repeats the key you are pressing on the keyboard by default.
You can change the time before repeat in the Control Panel, or if you want it really low or just very specific, you can write the exact ms before the key repeats in regedit. It's called Keyboard repeat delay.. if I remember correctly.

To edit the registry use:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Accessibility\Keyboard Responce
if you want to customise it further...

Should work a little something like this:
AutoRepeatRate: value of 15 equals 64 chars/sec on my ps/2 keyboard.
AutoRepeatDelay: should be at least 300, 400-500-1000
DelayBeforeAcceptance: I use 0.
What is dead may never die. BW forever.
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 16:18:16
February 08 2012 16:17 GMT
#18
Go to your keyboard settings and change it to this. Should help with the delay issue.
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Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 16:44:12
February 08 2012 16:42 GMT
#19
On February 09 2012 01:09 dark0dave wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
It's the same with Force Fields.
Maybe you haven't ever noticed before, but if you hold "S" down on your keyboard in Notepad or any where else where you write text it will also take about half a second before you will see S quickly repeat in the text editor.

Windows has about half a second delay before it repeats the key you are pressing on the keyboard by default.
You can change the time before repeat in the Control Panel, or if you want it really low or just very specific, you can write the exact ms before the key repeats in regedit. It's called Keyboard repeat delay.. if I remember correctly.

To edit the registry use:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Accessibility\Keyboard Responce
if you want to customise it further...

Should work a little something like this:
AutoRepeatRate: value of 15 equals 64 chars/sec on my ps/2 keyboard.
AutoRepeatDelay: should be at least 300, 400-500-1000
DelayBeforeAcceptance: I use 0.


What does DelayBeforeAcceptance do? My settings were AutoRepeatRate - 500 AutoRepeatDelay - 500 DelayBeforeAcceptance - 1000 and Flags - 126

What does a flag value of 126 mean? I'm on Vista Business 32 bit btw.

EDIT: Oh, I see that you copypasted from sevenforums and edited it a bit.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
February 08 2012 16:47 GMT
#20
Same issue exists with feedback, as well.
Berailfor
Profile Joined January 2012
441 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 17:23:47
February 08 2012 17:22 GMT
#21
Or with forcefields. You just need to get used to the timing. What's happening is if you hold down a key notice after the first press a letter comes up. Then it pauses, then it repeats. Well what's happening is your clicking where that pause is and there is no input.

Edit: so as result I just never hold down the key. I guess it's a little different for sniping though. Though you definitely should search "snipe" and scroll down a little. There are a good amount of threads on efficient sniping techniques.
chestnutcc
Profile Joined July 2011
India429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 17:23:50
February 08 2012 17:22 GMT
#22
The deselection is due to slight inaccuracy in the pattern of spamming, if you miss your target, it will click it instead of telling your ghost to snipe it, which will deselect your control group. Press shift and queue commands to avoid this.

Hymm.618
Profile Joined July 2011
39 Posts
February 09 2012 00:31 GMT
#23
On December 17 2011 13:02 RoyAlex wrote:
It's the same with Force Fields.
Maybe you haven't ever noticed before, but if you hold "S" down on your keyboard in Notepad or any where else where you write text it will also take about half a second before you will see S quickly repeat in the text editor.

Windows has about half a second delay before it repeats the key you are pressing on the keyboard by default.
You can change the time before repeat in the Control Panel, or if you want it really low or just very specific, you can write the exact ms before the key repeats in regedit. It's called Keyboard repeat delay.. if I remember correctly.


This. Reduce the delay and it'll help the problem. I say "help" because I dont know for certain if windows allows you to go all the way down to 0ms delay. If it does, then you wont have to pause after holding R. But typing might because frustrating if you have a heavy finger.
statikg
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada930 Posts
February 09 2012 02:34 GMT
#24
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