EPTi dont even know why u mention "daybreak" as a special map since it has the biggest walking distance of the current ladderpool (at least 2 months ago)
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
i dont even know why u mention "daybreak" as a special map since it has the biggest walking distance of the current ladderpool (at least 2 months ago) | ||
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
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LardMaster
United Kingdom123 Posts
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On August 30 2012 17:22 LardMaster wrote: Hey Habit what maps do you think a wannabe 6 pooler should veto this season?^^ entombed, Condemned, taldarim | ||
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LardMaster
United Kingdom123 Posts
Thanks man | ||
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:45 Bad_Habit wrote: i just would like to tell belial that his buildorders require knowing what is coming. scouting what is very uncommon in zvz and puts u economical "pretty far" behind. common zerg vs zerg scout is with the overlord and later on when 2-4 lings are out. without knowing and saving up larva you do not stand a chance. so it requires knowing. and still after cutting all that safety corners the 7pooling zerg still can get a draw on "bad maps" (where a spinecrawler can camp the choke) and on normal maps u still should be able to win. i dont even know why u mention "daybreak" as a special map since it has the biggest walking distance of the current ladderpool (at least 2 months ago) With an overlord, it should be pretty clear if the opponent is pulling all his drones or not. You can also tell what the opponent is doing based on if you have a ton of drones arriving inside your base or not. You do not need to save up larva. That's the worst thing you can do, you want to be pumping drones. As the games between us proved, you cannot beat hatch first with your 7 pool build, as long as the hatch first player responds correctly. If the 7 pooler doesn't focus down the hatch, then the Hatch first player should be able to win the engagement with a rooting spine, ~17 drones, 4 lings vs rooted spine, 10 lings, 6 drones | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
all our match proved is, that u cannot win with ur strategy, the best thing u could hope for is a stalement or the poolplayer to mess up the micro | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
hatch isn't going to die anytime soon. if you are doing a drone all-in, you want to pump drones, since the drone+ling force will force you to run away and can still surround the eggs, and with not-all-drones pulled, you want as many drones as possible to fight straight up, since your pool isn't finishing anytime soon. all our match proved, is that there is no way possible for you to win, because 18 drones will just bumrush your spine and kill it way before you can kill the drones before they kill the spine, or you can kill my spine. You can't force the stalemate, the hatch first player can force a stalemate by not killing the hatch. U r wrong, iamrite. It's already been proven. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295586 ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-246521.jpg) | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
why didnt u rush my spinecrawler then? ur force wouldnt have a chance killing my force nor would you get in any good position to kill off my spinecrawler. i even felt that confident that i tried to crush your posi on the highground with ur rooted spine but made 2 missclicks. i completely agree that the hatch player will win if he reacts proberly, but the way u tried it was not the right way. last thing i will post to this topic ever. now would u mind stop posting ur crappy guide in every single page of the comments? i kinda got tired of it over the time, knowing its not even the right responds and all good stuff is just writen off my tips on how to react^^ also i would like some random ppl (hopefully with basic knowledge) can comment something about the replay belial just posted to see his sight of things. if you actually think that beliial couldve got mroe than stalement with me beeing passiv (not even me rooting my spine at his hatch and not killing it off. | ||
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DanLee
Canada316 Posts
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
Habit, may I ask whether you're still in GM and whether it still works with the current metagame? | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Garhf
49 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:59 hellokitty[hk] wrote: I think you need to build more happy drones. I think every drone he builds is an angry one | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
This thread makes me sad for many reasons. After all the nerfs to gateways, barracks, bunkers, and cannons, you'd think they would realize that leaving one race with better cheeses and better macro is just horrible. The fact that this works so well at pro level against pro's that have already faced you and probably assume you are cheesing, just proves how poorly the game is balanced. You have no idea what you are talking about, just like the OP. Zerg has the worst cheese (but better macro). 6/7/8 Pool is just not viable outside of ZvP. Even in ZvP i don't think people really do it anymore because it just puts you so far behind o_o i long ago said i would not discuss about this topic with you anymore since ur lacking basicknowledge. why didnt u rush my spinecrawler then? ur force wouldnt have a chance killing my force nor would you get in any good position to kill off my spinecrawler. i even felt that confident that i tried to crush your posi on the highground with ur rooted spine but made 2 missclicks. i completely agree that the hatch player will win if he reacts proberly, but the way u tried it was not the right way. last thing i will post to this topic ever. now would u mind stop posting ur crappy guide in every single page of the comments? i kinda got tired of it over the time, knowing its not even the right responds and all good stuff is just writen off my tips on how to react^^ also i would like some random ppl (hopefully with basic knowledge) can comment something about the replay belial just posted to see his sight of things. if you actually think that beliial couldve got mroe than stalement with me beeing passiv (not even me rooting my spine at his hatch and not killing it off. I did rush your spinecrawler... Please, enlighten us with a different way to hold a drone all-in with hatch first. I didn't bother finding a 2nd way to hold it because the way I created just makes it so damn easy to hold. My guide is a million times better than your guide, and if I post that 'guide' i posted in the last page as a new update, it will be a billiont imes better than your guide. Please. The longest I've ever been banned was a month. And, i've only been banned 5 times. That alone is why I am clearly more correct than you. That and I don't type like I'm 12, god that's obnoxious. I mean grammar nazis are losers but how u typ lik tat. | ||
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On August 31 2012 05:45 Reborn8u wrote: This thread makes me sad for many reasons. After all the nerfs to gateways, barracks, bunkers, and cannons, you'd think they would realize that leaving one race with better cheeses and better macro is just horrible. The fact that this works so well at pro level against pro's that have already faced you and probably assume you are cheesing, just proves how poorly the game is balanced. Have you ever heard of a player by the tag of Gaulzi? | ||
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
You have no idea what you are talking about, just like the OP. Zerg has the worst cheese (but better macro). 6/7/8 Pool is just not viable outside of ZvP. Even in ZvP i don't think people really do it anymore because it just puts you so far behind o_o Proxy hatch, fast lair into spine rush, nydus, baneling bust (you might might consider that as an all in instead of cheese but I think it is cheese), etc. Zerg has many strong cheeses, just like Protoss and Terran. About topic - 6pool is good, but not on ladder, since it teaches you nothing and will get boring pretty fast (I think), it is better as a BoX build, to throw your opponent off and maybe score a fast win against Protoss. It is good against Opponents who play greedy, so it is sort of a metagame build against known opponents. | ||
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TapetalKarma
United States127 Posts
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