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ScythedBlade
Profile Joined May 2010
308 Posts
November 09 2011 11:58 GMT
#261
Which now means one thing: Protoss *must* have a uber effective all-in early game strategy...

Terrans have mass marines, MULEs -> rape
Zergs have mass 6 pool zerglings ...

Protoss ... .... ... has nothing because Zealot timing got nerfed to 37 seconds =(.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 12:01:09
November 09 2011 12:00 GMT
#262
Wrong thread
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
November 09 2011 12:02 GMT
#263
Watched the replay with Beasty. Godly rage :D
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
November 09 2011 12:04 GMT
#264
Hi OP

I noticed that the only thing you do different with your build is basically the hold position back into attack micro so I decide to incorporate it in my game because I get 6 pooled a lot on the Korean server. It turns out that the koreans will take one of their zerglings to manually attack the low worker. Did you encounter this in GM? I'm diamond in Korea btw.
Try another route paperboy.
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
November 09 2011 12:13 GMT
#265
this is cool thing, but if you are in GM with that build that can't be good for sc2 as a game
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 09 2011 12:13 GMT
#266
On November 09 2011 21:04 Steel wrote:
Hi OP

I noticed that the only thing you do different with your build is basically the hold position back into attack micro so I decide to incorporate it in my game because I get 6 pooled a lot on the Korean server. It turns out that the koreans will take one of their zerglings to manually attack the low worker. Did you encounter this in GM? I'm diamond in Korea btw.


u cant see it that fast. they are to busy using normal micro
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
oHInsane
Profile Joined February 2005
France727 Posts
November 09 2011 12:22 GMT
#267
HI there,

Just throwing a post to show thank the OP and that I had a good laugh - and some embarassments too with some chatlog - watching your replays and reading your guide.

Cheesing is part of the game, and MUST be a part of it. It doesn't mean you're an overall better player, that's two different things. Boxer vs Yellow anyone ? 3 bunkers rush in a row, on the final stage, in front of thousands of people.
People should deal with it and let it go, really.


gondolin
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
November 09 2011 12:22 GMT
#268
I love the part about workers hold position micro, it also helps for the defense :-)
So I guess you have lots of experience in lings+drone vs lings+drone micro. Let's say you enguage, if you hold position all your drones, they will switch to your lings? So that you can attack move your drones back again, while you run around with your lings, and repeat the hold position if they attack move your drones again?
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 12:32:24
November 09 2011 12:31 GMT
#269
nvm

GGs
Give thanks and praise!
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
November 09 2011 12:38 GMT
#270
I don''t think the OP actually cares about playing in tournaments. It seems to me his only purpose was to prove how strong 6 pool and drone rush actually are.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
November 09 2011 12:39 GMT
#271
On November 09 2011 21:38 Sbrubbles wrote:
I don''t think the OP actually cares about playing in tournaments. It seems to me his only purpose was to prove how strong 6 pool and drone rush actually are.


and being bad manner when he loses ^^
Give thanks and praise!
ProBaller
Profile Joined April 2011
United States33 Posts
November 09 2011 12:59 GMT
#272
this thread brought a pretty big smile to my face. Keep it real homie. Dont let the man hold you down and fool you with those drone buildin lies! Fo'real. Sometimes before class i'll hop on ladder and just do a couple six pools for shits and giggles. Now i understand where i have gone wrong with them( Sixpool+all drones all day gogo!). I love you<3
Bwwwaaaruuuughh-Day[9]. "Im not cooooooooooool. Im so hoooooooooooooooooot"-HongUnPrime.
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 13:02:30
November 09 2011 13:02 GMT
#273
I've always found it interesting that there appears to be double standards by Blizzard when destroying the original 4gate and the reaper completely, but left 6 pool alone which is too solid on some maps. OP says you have to play almost perfect but that's obviously not true, especially vs Protoss who get 6 pooled all the time. Arc shield is to address this kind of thing though.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
November 09 2011 13:02 GMT
#274
On November 09 2011 21:39 Breach_hu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 21:38 Sbrubbles wrote:
I don''t think the OP actually cares about playing in tournaments. It seems to me his only purpose was to prove how strong 6 pool and drone rush actually are.


and being bad manner when he loses ^^


And this. Though I think it might be far-fetched long-term plan to train people to freak out once they spot the incoming cheese.
Bora Pain minha porra!
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
November 09 2011 13:09 GMT
#275
Hahahah I was watching the GSL 15 minutes or so ago while watching some of your replays as well, and July did a 6 pool vs Puzzle in the final match of the group and failed miserably, while you were owning Huk and Hero (these 2 I was watching at the time). I think you should give him some lessons ^^

Anyway, really cool thread, I hope you decide to do some other uber cheese build and get to gm with it.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#276
On November 09 2011 22:02 AnalThermometer wrote:
I've always found it interesting that there appears to be double standards by Blizzard when destroying the original 4gate and the reaper completely, but left 6 pool alone which is too solid on some maps. OP says you have to play almost perfect but that's obviously not true, especially vs Protoss who get 6 pooled all the time. Arc shield is to address this kind of thing though.

Reaper and 4gate are not close to compareable, because people kept scouting reapers, but it was just impossible to hold and about 4gate... it was nerfed to make PvP better.

If you want to compare it to something: proxy gateways and canonrush. The later is extremly common in ZvP (bottom ramp pylon blocks often occur against pool first openings), so no need to whine about not having a "solid cheese" that can only be scouted by luck.
Especially these canonrush scenarios are so strong that zergs stopped to go hatch first against protoss, so stop blaming the balance on this, when it is rather that your rushes are so strong that the anitopenings are the standard vP openings.

and yeah, zealot build time was nerfed, because proxy 2gate was THE standard opening back then

Also all in all there have been tons of rush nerfs in the beta and early starcraft days: rax requiring depots, roach nerfs, reaper nerfs, zealot nerfs, spine crawler nerfs (people running over the map with spines)
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
November 09 2011 13:39 GMT
#277
On November 09 2011 22:37 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 22:02 AnalThermometer wrote:
I've always found it interesting that there appears to be double standards by Blizzard when destroying the original 4gate and the reaper completely, but left 6 pool alone which is too solid on some maps. OP says you have to play almost perfect but that's obviously not true, especially vs Protoss who get 6 pooled all the time. Arc shield is to address this kind of thing though.

Especially these canonrush scenarios are so strong that zergs stopped to go hatch first against protoss, so stop blaming the balance on this, when it is rather that your rushes are so strong that the anitopenings are the standard vP openings.


Lol @ flawed logic...

Your zerglings are so strong that I have to get a forge when I FE against zerg...
geiko.813 (EU)
SkaPunk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States471 Posts
November 09 2011 13:44 GMT
#278
I lost to you on the ladder. I am not a fan.
Team Fallacy
Harasslehoff
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany9 Posts
November 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#279
What does OP use against random?
Action is the real measure of intelligence.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 09 2011 13:48 GMT
#280
On November 09 2011 22:39 Geiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 22:37 Big J wrote:
On November 09 2011 22:02 AnalThermometer wrote:
I've always found it interesting that there appears to be double standards by Blizzard when destroying the original 4gate and the reaper completely, but left 6 pool alone which is too solid on some maps. OP says you have to play almost perfect but that's obviously not true, especially vs Protoss who get 6 pooled all the time. Arc shield is to address this kind of thing though.

Especially these canonrush scenarios are so strong that zergs stopped to go hatch first against protoss, so stop blaming the balance on this, when it is rather that your rushes are so strong that the anitopenings are the standard vP openings.


Lol @ flawed logic...

Your zerglings are so strong that I have to get a forge when I FE against zerg...

only against a 6-11overpool cheese. Against everything else you can go nexus first.
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