Awesome post man. We like to dismiss early game aggression as "cheese" or undesirable because it allegedly takes less skill than traditional macro play. I think it's something that every player ought to practice, the fact of the matter is this: you can't force a macro game but you can force early aggression. If you outclass me in the mid-late game but can't micro well enough to hold off my cheese, I'll beat you every time.

It's not a matter of 6pool, 2 gate, or 2 rax being overpowered, or lame, what's important is that we explore and become familiar with hyper-early aggression.

I understand that most of us find a metagame based on early-game all-ins unappealing, but we shouldn't turn a blind eye to them for aesthetic reasons.

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

November 09 2011 13:56 GMT

#282

It's not so much that you 6 pool, and whether or not the strategy is valid or not. You are insanely bad mannered towards your opponents if you fail and you also use cheap tricks such as trying to strike up a conversation and ask as much as possible while you are 6 pooling. The latter would even be illegal in most serious tournaments.

To me this just comes off as a brag thread, seeing how you carefully pick out all the heavy names to show off your 6 pool tactics. But hey, that's just me.

Twelve12

Australia268 Posts

November 09 2011 14:10 GMT

#283

On November 09 2011 22:56 dignitas.merz wrote:
It's not so much that you 6 pool, and whether or not the strategy is valid or not. You are insanely bad mannered towards your opponents if you fail and you also use cheap tricks such as trying to strike up a conversation and ask as much as possible while you are 6 pooling. The latter would even be illegal in most serious tournaments.

To me this just comes off as a brag thread, seeing how you carefully pick out all the heavy names to show off your 6 pool tactics. But hey, that's just me.

Yeah i actually felt that this concept was really cool, but was pretty disappointed in the BM towards opponents who sometimes had never provoked you first, like catz

Tommylew

Wales2717 Posts

November 09 2011 14:11 GMT

#284

yeh I wonder how many times the top players beat you and you havent posted that. Brag thread all over. If this was a a Protoss cheese we would be getting abuse

15 pages for a BM person, no problem with the strat but the BM??? really?

Bad_Habit

Germany243 Posts

November 09 2011 14:22 GMT

#285

catz bmed me when i won him the first time. sure its not good to bm but what you guys dont know is what happened before. well you can see i have like 65% winrate so sure i lose sometimes but i do fairly well against "pros" only the "russian front" with maphack gives me a hard time ^_^

mike1

Germany155 Posts

November 09 2011 14:22 GMT

#286

its pretty interesting and informative but the BM leaves a sour taste of attention*******

CapnAmerica

United States508 Posts

November 09 2011 14:39 GMT

#287

On November 09 2011 09:33 Loes wrote:
says his madfrog LOL

His forum name looks really familiar... I think he actually is...

Or is my memory off?

Didn't Day9 cast a game of Bad_Habit and say he was Madfrog in 2010?

Fuhrmaaj

167 Posts

November 09 2011 14:40 GMT

#288

Side-by-side on the strategy forums:

- a guide showing how to hold a hatch first in ZvP so that you can survive cannons and get into the macro phase of the game

- how to 6pool in every MU

Geiko

France1939 Posts

November 09 2011 14:45 GMT

#289

On November 09 2011 23:40 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
Side-by-side on the strategy forums:

- a guide showing how to hold a hatch first in ZvP so that you can survive cannons and get into the macro phase of the game

- how to 6pool in every MU

Yep, one of those guides is an in-depth explanation of a strategy and how it succeeds at high level with perfect execution, and the other is just a trick that works against bad players. I'll let you figure out which is which ^^

goste

Australia46 Posts

November 09 2011 14:50 GMT

#290

So you won the bet. I think the real question here is:

What did you win???

Tommylew

Wales2717 Posts

November 09 2011 14:51 GMT

#291

On November 09 2011 23:39 CapnAmerica wrote:

Show nested quote +

His forum name looks really familiar... I think he actually is...

Or is my memory off?

Didn't Day9 cast a game of Bad_Habit and say he was Madfrog in 2010?

Madfrog would never ever for one post this type of thread or be so BM without a reason lol

He seemed like a real laid back guy all the way through wc3 lol

so yeh 100% trolling Beasty lol

Bad_Habit

Germany243 Posts

November 09 2011 15:01 GMT

#292

im not madfrog, thats just a little insider between me and grub T_T

Cyber_Cheese

Australia3615 Posts

November 09 2011 15:04 GMT

#293

That sir, is really really awesome!

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

November 09 2011 15:11 GMT

#294

you can kind of expect that kind of behavior from somebody ending their name with qt.

Sareth

Germany1008 Posts

November 09 2011 15:29 GMT

#295

On November 09 2011 23:22 Bad_Habit wrote:
catz bmed me when i won him the first time. sure its not good to bm but what you guys dont know is what happened before. well you can see i have like 65% winrate so sure i lose sometimes but i do fairly well against "pros" only the "russian front" with maphack gives me a hard time ^_^

"russian front with maphack"?
Dont you think that you will be very soon very known in Ladder, if you get to GM just by 6pooling?
Everybody will know, that you are not able to win with anything elese at that level and so play extremely safe. They know that if they hold your 6pool they will win.

Satiinifi

Finland192 Posts

November 09 2011 15:32 GMT

#296

Talk about a total waste of time, and they call some progamers nolife :D

Eviscerador

Spain286 Posts

November 09 2011 15:36 GMT

#297

So much talent wasted... I mean, your micro is amazing and your execution is well planned but... don't you feel empty just winning games such way all the time?

For what I can see you find more rewarding teasing your oponents than winning the actual game.

If that is the case, then cheers for you, but anyway, so much talent wasted...