I was experimenting one day when I discovered that in addition to moving hurt stalkers to the back but to actually DODGE some attacks, such as: Marauder, Stalker, Roach, Banshee, Yamato, NP, and Spine crawler attack. Of course I'm sure I am not the only one to figure this out and I found this video....

Do pro players know about this? If so is it just to menial to do? It would seem like a great advantage if you could do it a couple of times. Or is it because it take extreme timing and APM? I think this could be something to look forward to when (if) blizzard ever releases a lan version for tournaments.

Archas

United States6531 Posts

October 03 2011 22:32 GMT

There's not too much point in doing this. If you have monstrous APM and multitasking skills, then go ahead, but the reward is fairly minimal for the effort involved. No one Yamatos or NP's a Stalker, Marauders/Roaches are usually too numerous to make any sort of payoff, and it's easier to just Blink under a Banshee and shoot it down. Solitary Spine Crawlers might be a nice target for this, though.

mordk

Chile8385 Posts

October 03 2011 22:32 GMT

I'm pretty sure every pro must know this. It's present since WC3, and in DotA it's extremely useful. In SC2 it's useful only in some very special situations, since in large battles it's more important to blink using shield as a reference, rather than avoiding a projectile, and since there's no projectile based special abilities, there's no real use for it in that sense either. In DotA you'd use it to dodge single targeted projectile nukes and stuns. There's no such thing in SC2, or at least none that would target a stalker anyways.

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

October 03 2011 22:33 GMT

Yes I would imagine it is very well known, and no, it is not viable to do past the early game; the APM needed to do this efficiently is much better off being put towards multitasking.

zylog

Canada943 Posts

October 03 2011 22:36 GMT

Yeah, I think one of the benefits of doing blink micro with clumps of stalkers is that a few will inevitably be under fire, so in effect you waste a few shots from roaches or whatever you're facing each time you do a blink.

paintfive

785 Posts

October 03 2011 22:36 GMT

umm its just a waste of blink

MindBreaker

United States574 Posts

October 03 2011 22:40 GMT

@grobyc do you think this could be possible with builds like 3gate blink stalker? (im not a protoss player) or some kind of all-in where you dont have alot else going on?

KazeHydra

Japan2788 Posts

October 03 2011 22:40 GMT

I think there's an achievement for this where you blink away a stalker when it otherwise would've gotten hit and killed. It's a well known fact, but honestly, it's good enough to just blink stalkers back once their shields are gone rather than attempting to dodge attacks.

MindBreaker

United States574 Posts

October 03 2011 22:41 GMT

How fast do shields regen in battle?

Mr. Nefarious

United States515 Posts

October 03 2011 22:43 GMT

#10

The idea behind this is the exact same as picking up and dropping off a tank quickly from a dropship.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

October 03 2011 22:44 GMT

#11

Actually it's one of the main skills required in blink battles in PvP. If you guess which of your stalkers will be target fired next by your opponent, you can blink back during his volley, and gain a serious advantage.

Also I've seen some sick shit from HuK on his stream. He is controling a xel naga tower with a stalker, then a stim marauder comes to take the tower back. The duel starts. In the middle of a concussive shot, HuK blinks his stalker on the side and the marauder wastes his attack, then the stalker ultimately comes out on top and kills the marauder. Sick move.

MindBreaker

United States574 Posts

October 03 2011 22:46 GMT

#12

Do you guys think that the lag inherent in playing online makes this incredibly more difficult also @zenithM thats awesome you probably dont have any replays of him doing that do you? that would be awesome to see!!

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

October 03 2011 22:48 GMT

#13

On October 04 2011 07:41 MindBreaker wrote:
How fast do shields regen in battle?

They don't. Shields begin to regenerate 10 seconds after a unit was last damaged. Once they do, it's 2 shield per second.

Surili

United Kingdom1141 Posts

October 03 2011 22:53 GMT

#14

It is for this reason you see players blinking back units in groups vs roaches, as you will in fact simply not take damage at all if you do it right. Once in large numbers though it is more effective to let the shields go down as you will then have time to let the ones at the back regen their shields.

Hope that made sense.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

October 03 2011 22:54 GMT

#15

On October 04 2011 07:46 MindBreaker wrote:
Do you guys think that the lag inherent in playing online makes this incredibly more difficult also @zenithM thats awesome you probably dont have any replays of him doing that do you? that would be awesome to see!!

Actually, I just remembered! Good you asked.
It was not on his stream actually, it was in a Liquid "Game of the Week" vs MVP (sick game overall btw), and the replay got released, you can find it there: http://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/48398

Minute 17:20 is when the magic happens, at the lower watchtower of Metalopolis. Enjoy

Edit: Lol watched it again, that's so fucking badass :D

MindBreaker

United States574 Posts

October 03 2011 22:57 GMT

#16

Wow thanks this will be awesom to see!.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

October 03 2011 23:09 GMT

#17

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126170

back in beta this was posted along with how to including the most basic of micro (kiting)

MindBreaker

United States574 Posts

October 03 2011 23:12 GMT

#18

On October 04 2011 08:09 PrinceXizor wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126170

back in beta this was posted along with how to including the most basic of micro (kiting)

Oh thank you I did not find that when I searched for that. Good to know that alot of people know about this I think it could be really good in a small battle situation..

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

October 03 2011 23:18 GMT

#19

On October 04 2011 08:12 MindBreaker wrote:

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Oh thank you I did not find that when I searched for that. Good to know that alot of people know about this I think it could be really good in a small battle situation..

haha i only knew it existed because i posted it.

it's good to remind people from time to time. and that 1 stalker beats 1 marauder once blink is finished.

MindBreaker

United States574 Posts

October 03 2011 23:21 GMT

#20

does that include with stim???

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

October 03 2011 23:26 GMT

#21

On October 04 2011 08:21 MindBreaker wrote:
does that include with stim???

2 blinks w/ stim 1 blink without

though even upgrades (except 0/0) make marauders win no matter what. (if protoss is ahead in upgrades as is normal then stalkers win w/ micro)

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

October 04 2011 00:49 GMT

#22

On October 04 2011 07:40 MindBreaker wrote:
@grobyc do you think this could be possible with builds like 3gate blink stalker? (im not a protoss player) or some kind of all-in where you dont have alot else going on?

Even so, like paintfive said, it's a waste of a blink. Sure you dodge 1 hit, but then he target fires that stalker you blinked and it will die because of the cooldown timer before it can blink back to safety.

Achilles306

Canada84 Posts

October 04 2011 00:58 GMT

#23

You can also dodge baneling hits, just like how ling run close and back up, blinking while the baneling is detonating will allow the stalker to avoid the attack.

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