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On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked. That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick
No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive.
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EDIT: If you are not the EU IMRandom, I apologize, but everything in this guide is thought up and written by me. I have not used a template and have never seen the playxp guide you linked (let alone read it, I don't read korean). In fact; my first draft of this build was written drunk at 6 AM and poorly constructed, I re-wrote it later with better wording.
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On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked. That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive.
I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless.
Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator
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On October 13 2011 03:13 IMRandom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked. That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive. I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless. Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator
I am not going to credit anybody but myself, as I made the guide. I gave MC credit for the 1gate expand into void, from there on out, however, everything is thought up by me. I'm not saying it is totally impossible for someone to make the same mental leaps as me or come up with a build that's roughly equal to mine, but I don't think the similarities can be that striking as you are making it out to be.
Anyway, I'd love it if you could post some examples of what you would consider 'obvious similarities'? I tried translating through google translate but that didn't really work out too well.
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It sucks that you can still use the archon toilet technique even though it was "patched" in order to avoid the problem. It especially sucked seeing Kiwikaki use it in the IPL to beat a player in a game ( which had its merits and was awesome by the way) he kinda lost allready.
Zergs beware
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On October 13 2011 03:18 the p00n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:13 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked. That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive. I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless. Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator I am not going to credit anybody but myself, as I made the guide. I gave MC credit for the 1gate expand into void, from there on out, however, everything is thought up by me. I'm not saying it is totally impossible for someone to make the same mental leaps as me or come up with a build that's roughly equal to mine, but I don't think the similarities can be that striking as you are making it out to be. Anyway, I'd love it if you could post some examples of what you would consider 'obvious similarities'? I tried translating through google translate but that didn't really work out too well.
It's 3 am in the morning here, not gonna go too deep into it, but the only notable difference is the korean bloke goes stargate first, but u go 1gate expo, which i believe is better. However, the korean bloke is diamond so...Main things are: ur intro, counter against zerg timings and scouting are similarly worded. I think u've improved the BO, but then again, the bloke is diamond >_>
It's kinda hard to believe u because ur lying about u being in GM as well. I'd say high master and low GM are about equal, but ur still lying
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Ok, so the build is entirely different, from another patch, the author is diamond but there are some similar wordings even though it's another language!
Please go to bed.
+ Show Spoiler +I was GM but dropped out due to inactivity. The link you provided does not show me being promoted to GM league.
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On October 13 2011 03:37 the p00n wrote:Ok, so the build is entirely different, from another patch, the author is diamond but there are some similar wordings even though it's another language!Please go to bed. + Show Spoiler +I was GM but dropped out due to inactivity. The link you provided does not show me being promoted to GM league.
No the build is pretty much the same in terms of concept, it's just one order difference. Patch just makes it better. Even though it's an another language, the similarities are so clear and obvious.
The link should show that u were in GM if u ever were. It doesn't.
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On October 13 2011 03:31 IMRandom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:18 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:13 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked. That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive. I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless. Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator I am not going to credit anybody but myself, as I made the guide. I gave MC credit for the 1gate expand into void, from there on out, however, everything is thought up by me. I'm not saying it is totally impossible for someone to make the same mental leaps as me or come up with a build that's roughly equal to mine, but I don't think the similarities can be that striking as you are making it out to be. Anyway, I'd love it if you could post some examples of what you would consider 'obvious similarities'? I tried translating through google translate but that didn't really work out too well. It's 3 am in the morning here, not gonna go too deep into it, but the only notable difference is the korean bloke goes stargate first, but u go 1gate expo, which i believe is better. However, the korean bloke is diamond so...Main things are: ur intro, counter against zerg timings and scouting are similarly worded. I think u've improved the BO, but then again, the bloke is diamond >_> It's kinda hard to believe u because ur lying about u being in GM as well. I'd say high master and low GM are about equal, but ur still lying
But then again, i'd like to argue that there aren't one thousand ways to go fast mothership (well, i think, correct me if i'm wrong). I mean, those builds all come down to getting a fast expand, find a way to keep up with the zerg and know what he is doing (phoenix void ray), defend yourself (buy time, i guess) while you get the mothership, take the third with he mothership support. From here, that's the part where we start seeing more differences in what they are doing.
Watching the replay on playxp just shows that its some kind of mix between Plexa's build and this one, where he goes for blink and templars, but no archons, if I understood correctly. Then, he builds a lot of blink stalkers and go harrass a lot, in other words, he uses the mothership very defensively
What i am trying to say is, it's not completely out of question that more than 1 person thought about this kind of build when they kinda have the same philosophy on how to get there
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On October 13 2011 03:52 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:31 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:18 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:13 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked. That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive. I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless. Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator I am not going to credit anybody but myself, as I made the guide. I gave MC credit for the 1gate expand into void, from there on out, however, everything is thought up by me. I'm not saying it is totally impossible for someone to make the same mental leaps as me or come up with a build that's roughly equal to mine, but I don't think the similarities can be that striking as you are making it out to be. Anyway, I'd love it if you could post some examples of what you would consider 'obvious similarities'? I tried translating through google translate but that didn't really work out too well. It's 3 am in the morning here, not gonna go too deep into it, but the only notable difference is the korean bloke goes stargate first, but u go 1gate expo, which i believe is better. However, the korean bloke is diamond so...Main things are: ur intro, counter against zerg timings and scouting are similarly worded. I think u've improved the BO, but then again, the bloke is diamond >_> It's kinda hard to believe u because ur lying about u being in GM as well. I'd say high master and low GM are about equal, but ur still lying But then again, i'd like to argue that there aren't one thousand ways to go fast mothership (well, i think, correct me if i'm wrong). I mean, those builds all come down to getting a fast expand, find a way to keep up with the zerg and know what he is doing (phoenix void ray), defend yourself (buy time, i guess) while you get the mothership, take the third with he mothership support. From here, that's the part where we start seeing more differences in what they are doing. Watching the replay on playxp just shows that its some kind of mix between Plexa's build and this one, where he goes for blink and templars, but no archons, if I understood correctly. Then, he builds a lot of blink stalkers and go harrass a lot, in other words, he uses the mothership very defensively What i am trying to say is, it's not completely out of question that more than 1 person thought about this kind of build when they kinda have the same philosophy on how to get there
Let me sum this up for u.1. The GUIDE is very similar, including the title.(90winrate thingy) 2.He is lying about ever being in GM. 3. The build is very similar
If it was just no.3, I wouldn't have called him out. It's the striking similarities between two guides that caught my attention
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If he wanted to plagarize someone else's guide I doubt he'd copy the title word for word and if you're so sure that he stole the guide then put some effort into proving it instead of saying it's very similar to something almost no one here can read anyway. Otherwise stop derailing the thread.
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I dont see what your problem with this guide is, dont read it if you dont like it. Im in Masters, and after having serious issued with zerg (they owned me mid - early, i couldnt take a third etc) ive been having sucsess with this. Its not unbeatable, but definitely fun to play.
Thanks for the well written guide
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Also considering that this guide DOESN'T GET BLINK STALKERS might be a rather large tell that they are both completely independent of eachother...
If you play protoss at all, you will know that a build that has NO stalkers is completely different from one that gets blink and stalkers.........
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On October 13 2011 03:56 IMRandom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On October 13 2011 03:31 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:18 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:13 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:
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No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked.
That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive. I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless. Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator I am not going to credit anybody but myself, as I made the guide. I gave MC credit for the 1gate expand into void, from there on out, however, everything is thought up by me. I'm not saying it is totally impossible for someone to make the same mental leaps as me or come up with a build that's roughly equal to mine, but I don't think the similarities can be that striking as you are making it out to be. Anyway, I'd love it if you could post some examples of what you would consider 'obvious similarities'? I tried translating through google translate but that didn't really work out too well. It's 3 am in the morning here, not gonna go too deep into it, but the only notable difference is the korean bloke goes stargate first, but u go 1gate expo, which i believe is better. However, the korean bloke is diamond so...Main things are: ur intro, counter against zerg timings and scouting are similarly worded. I think u've improved the BO, but then again, the bloke is diamond >_> It's kinda hard to believe u because ur lying about u being in GM as well. I'd say high master and low GM are about equal, but ur still lying But then again, i'd like to argue that there aren't one thousand ways to go fast mothership (well, i think, correct me if i'm wrong). I mean, those builds all come down to getting a fast expand, find a way to keep up with the zerg and know what he is doing (phoenix void ray), defend yourself (buy time, i guess) while you get the mothership, take the third with he mothership support. From here, that's the part where we start seeing more differences in what they are doing. Watching the replay on playxp just shows that its some kind of mix between Plexa's build and this one, where he goes for blink and templars, but no archons, if I understood correctly. Then, he builds a lot of blink stalkers and go harrass a lot, in other words, he uses the mothership very defensively What i am trying to say is, it's not completely out of question that more than 1 person thought about this kind of build when they kinda have the same philosophy on how to get there Let me sum this up for u.1. The GUIDE is very similar, including the title.(90winrate thingy) 2.He is lying about ever being in GM. 3. The build is very similar If it was just no.3, I wouldn't have called him out. It's the striking similarities between two guides that caught my attention
for 1, I can't read Korean and google translation is kinda bad, so I am trusting you on that one (I assume you are talking about the textual structure). I think the build was written following a standard structure, but I still see your point, and can't deny it (and I do see the 90% winrate too and all).
2. Now, for that point, you are right. Technically, even I think that he should have written that he was high master, instead of ''playing at grandmaster level'', which is misleading. He was probably trying to get more viewers in a cheap way, but those ways usually always end up in backfires (like in this case). I will just say that taking this point to say that he is a blatantly lying about the legitimate of his entire guide is kinda harsh tho, considering that he does play against GM opponents. Not all the time, i would guess (i am not high master, so I don't know the frequency at which you are supposed to play against GM people), so his statement is still true in a way. VERY misleading, but not entirely wrong.
3. well, I explained my position on this point my last post.
Now, I would like to say that I am in no way entirely defending the author here. I am just trying to tone down the mood, by saying that jumping to conclusions with the facts I see right now is a bit pushing it. The author could have ripped to guide as he could be the legitimate author, but I think only he knows. He says he didn't steal it and somewhat explained his position, thrus I will go for the benefit of the doubt right now.
If more people think your way tho, after reading the ''original'' guide, then yes, I think your case would be more solid. But right now, only you can read Korean here...
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I encountered GLSnute on ladder, he is a GM league player and featured streamer on tl.net. I think I have provided enough replays for now, so I shall stop.
http://drop.sc/44333
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I lol'd at this one :D The guide was excellent, especially from a Zerg point of view. I can clearly see why Kiwikaki continues to use motherships, especially due to the benefits you've pointed out here.
I would like to see how this fares against a macro zerg who plays extremely passive but harasses constantly with corruptors (and builds up infestor/roach/hydra) after scouting moship tech.
On October 13 2011 04:36 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:56 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On October 13 2011 03:31 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:18 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:13 IMRandom wrote:On October 13 2011 03:09 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:07 NrGmonk wrote:On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:[quote] If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess. Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you. That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p Now you're just being a dick No I'm not. I'm being accused of something I know that is wrong and I have had inflammatory conversations with this guy on b.net EU, which would provide him with a motive. I don't have an acc in EU, and "IMRandom" is just a spontaneous creation from my race "Random" and my favouritism towards IM. Any correlation with the http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1745784/IMRandom bloke is just coincidental. For that, I'll retract the "euro trash" comment, however u are faking the "gm" thing nonetheless. Please, I can read korean, and i can spot the obvious similarities. Just back down and credit the original creator I am not going to credit anybody but myself, as I made the guide. I gave MC credit for the 1gate expand into void, from there on out, however, everything is thought up by me. I'm not saying it is totally impossible for someone to make the same mental leaps as me or come up with a build that's roughly equal to mine, but I don't think the similarities can be that striking as you are making it out to be. Anyway, I'd love it if you could post some examples of what you would consider 'obvious similarities'? I tried translating through google translate but that didn't really work out too well. It's 3 am in the morning here, not gonna go too deep into it, but the only notable difference is the korean bloke goes stargate first, but u go 1gate expo, which i believe is better. However, the korean bloke is diamond so...Main things are: ur intro, counter against zerg timings and scouting are similarly worded. I think u've improved the BO, but then again, the bloke is diamond >_> It's kinda hard to believe u because ur lying about u being in GM as well. I'd say high master and low GM are about equal, but ur still lying But then again, i'd like to argue that there aren't one thousand ways to go fast mothership (well, i think, correct me if i'm wrong). I mean, those builds all come down to getting a fast expand, find a way to keep up with the zerg and know what he is doing (phoenix void ray), defend yourself (buy time, i guess) while you get the mothership, take the third with he mothership support. From here, that's the part where we start seeing more differences in what they are doing. Watching the replay on playxp just shows that its some kind of mix between Plexa's build and this one, where he goes for blink and templars, but no archons, if I understood correctly. Then, he builds a lot of blink stalkers and go harrass a lot, in other words, he uses the mothership very defensively What i am trying to say is, it's not completely out of question that more than 1 person thought about this kind of build when they kinda have the same philosophy on how to get there Let me sum this up for u.1. The GUIDE is very similar, including the title.(90winrate thingy) 2.He is lying about ever being in GM. 3. The build is very similar If it was just no.3, I wouldn't have called him out. It's the striking similarities between two guides that caught my attention 2. Now, for that point, you are right. Technically, even I think that he should have written that he was high master, instead of ''playing at grandmaster level'', which is misleading.
Misleading, but True. Some of his replays ARE against GM players. Because the ladder matches you up with players of similar skill, he can viably to be "playing at a grandmaster level". If he had lost to every grandmaster he played, then he obviously wouldn't be able to claim the same, but even beating one GM means that he's playing on at least "that GM's level".
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So anyone can make accusations of plagiarism without backing them up with any evidence at all ( yeah cause we all read korean around here ), that sounds fair to me.
There should be some sanction given here.
Anyway thanks for this OP, I will make this my main BO in PvZ :D
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I played a little with the build and I think there's a lot of refinement that can be done.
One of the big advantages for me in using that build (and it doesn't seem to be given much emphasis in the guide) is how u can have a really strong defensive position but yet be really agressive on the map with chargelots drops.
Chargelot drops are extremely effective and were usually a little weird to try and incorporate mid-game in my usual builds.
I also think its fairly easy to do effective transitions when you start opening with that build.
What I usually prefer is to get my robo as I get my third so I can start becoming agressive with chargelot drops fairly early in the game. I also found that once I get a decent number of archons for archon toilet, just throwing several immortals into the mix and then slowly trading ur zealots for blink stalkers and HTs with storm makes up for a really strong late game composition (basically blink stalker immortal HTs archon mothership).
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This is an extremely well written guide. I WILL call it the super sexy satan build.
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Allright.. I've played a fair number of times that build now, and I've had quite a few wins.. but far from the 90% you mentionned ( mid/high master's level ).
My feeling is that its weakest part is a 2/3 base all-in from Zerg with roaches/hydras after you've successfully set up your B3, while you're powering up for archons. You have a decent amount of zealots, a couple of sentries, but the number of archons is still too limited ( 6-7 ) to finish off his army, it doesn't deal enough damage to the roaches and the zealots evaporate due to his dps..
One thing I've realized is that this build is a pretty decent counter to mutas/lings. The fear of the vortex, plus archons, shuts down mutas harass pretty quickly. If you don't do any major mistake, play defensively on 3 bases, tech blink/storm along with archons and have a good engagement, the game is pretty much in the bag.
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