[G]HUARGH's 90+% winrate PvZ mothership build - Page 13

On October 10 2011 10:04 Anihc wrote:


I use a lot of robo based builds to get a quick 3rd up safely at around the 10 minute mark. Sometimes I'd just go heavy sentry/stalker/immortal, other times I'll go quick colo. If you want reps I released a small PvZ rep pack recently and I go robo -> fast 3rd in the majority of them. In the past I've also gone for a fast 6 gate +1 that allows me to take a 3rd behind it as well. I believe there are replays of this somewhere on this site as well. Recently I've been working on a stargate/chargelot/archon build that again allows me to put pressure on the zerg and expand behind it, usually before 11 minutes.

Like I've said before, one issue I have with this build is that it really relies on the surprise or wtf factor. A lot of people just don't know how to react properly to the mothership. I've been using motherships in my PvZs for the past year and I've noticed that my mothership usage has gotten more and more defendable/counterable. Am I sucking more? No, zerg players are just adapting better. The other thing I don't like about it is that you can't really put any early game pressure on the zerg. So no pressure + not the "safest" or "earliest" 3rd = cool build but not favorite :p

On October 10 2011 10:26 Keilah wrote:
link? couldn't find

On October 10 2011 12:23 Anihc wrote:


A void ray and phoenix does nothing, many zergs build blind spores anyway so it does almost nothing in terms of pressure. You are right that gateway expanding instead of FFE does create some kind of "pressure," but there are lots of zergs who treat gateway expand as if you were FFEing and drone hardcore all the same, and you can't punish them for coin flipping like that with this build.

Any zerg who herp derps 70 drones before units against my standard FFE > fast warpgate (non-all in, I don't stop making probes) loses their 3rd. 100% of the time.

On October 11 2011 23:40 Plexa wrote:
Hasuobs used this in the Mouz trap vs meyera

On October 12 2011 00:20 the p00n wrote:


Any idea where I can find the replay/vod?

On October 12 2011 06:39 ForeverSleep wrote:


http://www.justin.tv/mousesports/b/297212607
there you go

starts at 27:00

Hasu also comments the game at the same time too

On October 13 2011 02:02 NrGmonk wrote:
I read this guide and watched 3 replays. These are my initial reactions:

• Calling this strategy 90%+ win rate just makes it look worse, not better. It makes it seem like you're just not playing good enough people who know how to react to it. If the build were truly 90% at the highest levels, you should be winning tournaments, ezpz. Plus, it makes you seem arrogant.
  
• Your analysis in the middle of the guide seems good and well thought out.
  
• Why not go stargate before 2 additional gates? This is the way MC does it and I assume you're trying to emulate his build.
  
• The biggest problem I have with this build is that it relies on your opponent not seeing it before and thus reacting poorly. The first example is unit composition. Many players will take a look at your unit composition and go completely different tech route from each other, such as infestor hydra, broodlord corruptor, roach ling hydra corruptor, etc... Most people see this unit comp and aren't sure what to make, which I believe is roach corruptor.
  
• Another big problem is that most people don't know how to deal with mothership. If you throw your entire army into a vortex, especially a broodlord/corruptor army, you instantly lose. Zergs who learn to split their army and not run everything into a vortex will do much better.

On October 13 2011 02:30 IMRandom wrote:
"HUARGH's"?You ripped the strat and the guide off Playxp and ur claiming it as ur own -_- At least give the creator some credit u moron.

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/protoss/strategy/view.php?article_id=3298344&page=2

On October 13 2011 02:49 the p00n wrote:


No, everything in this guide is from me. I thought up everything that's written in this guide, I have written everything in this guide. I don't even read Korean and have no idea what you linked.

That being said, I think you are just bitter because i 2-0'd you in ladder fairly easily :p

On October 13 2011 03:02 IMRandom wrote:


If it's just the strategy that's similar, i'd just be suspicious, but even the two guides and their wordings are similar. Considering the korean guide is from 2 months ago, I don't have to guess.

Also, I think a mid master in KR server trumps any euro trash who pretends to be a GM

http://sc2ranks.com/team/3925188#alltime

On October 13 2011 03:05 the p00n wrote:


I don't speak korean at all so I have no idea. If someone else could give some insight on this that would be great. I'm also not sure how 'similar' the strategy is (because once again, I don't speak korean). There may be nuances that make this build very different from the one you linked, that may be obvious to me but not to you.

That being said, do you want me to post the replays vs. you? :p