[G]HUARGH's 90+% winrate PvZ mothership build - Page 11

Perhaps there is some really strange mass queen timing build possible where you spread your creep directly to the Protoss' 3rd and use your queens to keep your overseers alive (transfuse/scare his air away, as well as attack the mothership).

On October 06 2011 08:35 evanthebouncy! wrote:
dude i think the vortex toilet... iono do you throw your own units in as well? cuz if you do i'm throwing my banelings inside too

On October 06 2011 15:11 Azide wrote:
http://drop.sc/41088- Here's a roach/hydra kind of all in it seemed... he got his 3rd base late if I remember correctly.

http://drop.sc/41090 - I think this is a mass roach/maybe some hydra but with roach drops and remaxing with heavy roach

If you were to watch any of these, the first two are what I'm talking about.

http://drop.sc/41089 - Here is one where I surely thought I was going to lose but I think his macro was just terrible... 4k avg unspent (I guess maybe he was banking at 200/200 awhile?) It just seems like your mobility is severely limited with this strategy due to the fact the mothership being key to your army strength.. splitting it up kinda hurts you. I also got lucky hitting him before broods otherwise I would have lost badly I feel.

On October 06 2011 15:11 Azide wrote:
http://drop.sc/41088- Here's a roach/hydra kind of all in it seemed... he got his 3rd base late if I remember correctly.

http://drop.sc/41090 - I think this is a mass roach/maybe some hydra but with roach drops and remaxing with heavy roach

If you were to watch any of these, the first two are what I'm talking about.

http://drop.sc/41089 - Here is one where I surely thought I was going to lose but I think his macro was just terrible... 4k avg unspent (I guess maybe he was banking at 200/200 awhile?) It just seems like your mobility is severely limited with this strategy due to the fact the mothership being key to your army strength.. splitting it up kinda hurts you. I also got lucky hitting him before broods otherwise I would have lost badly I feel.

On October 07 2011 07:38 Azide wrote:
I can't find anything about armor/shield upgrades in this guide. Are you only supposed to upgrade weapons?

On October 07 2011 09:39 FairForever wrote:
So I ran about 5 practice games today against a Protoss using this build on MLG Testbug (we're both Very high masters, Top 300 in NA)

I got absolutely demolished the first two times. Essentially the Mothership came out, with a strong gateway/archon comp, and I had no answer. He was able to take the third base safely, and despite my attempts at zergling runbys, was able to eventually overrun my base.

I also attempted a roach/hydra/infestor composition, this got annihilated. The vortex was always a threat and when it finally did come out it ate up half of my army. He'd throw the archons in and it would be GG.


The 3rd and 4th times, I went for mass expand/mass muta style. This actually worked really well. He pretty much couldn't move out because I was building a muta pack. I ended up winning both of these games, being on 5/6 bases to 2 or 3 and really just not letting up on the pressure. Had he turtled I think I just would've teched up, saved enough resources/larva, then keep army-trading (inefficiently) until the game was won.

Of course, I had a feeling he would go for Mothership based on our other practice attempts, so I specifically went Mutas as a counter. I'm not sure the best way to stop this in a standard game if you wanted to do something more standard like roach/hydra or had already started going in that direction. There were also holes in my defense that, had he gone for a timing attack, would've caused me to lose. In the games that I won, I pretty much were keeping all my mutas alive and staying far enough from the mothership to prevent a vortex - I ended up with probably 40+ mutas at the end.

NOTE: Even though I was avoiding Vortexes, Mutas are fast enough that if you micro right when the vortex ends your mutas won't all day, you may lose a few and a lot of yours will get damaged due to archon splash though. So it's not the end of the world.

He was doing the Mothership build out of a 1gate expand, so twice I went for the kill - once with roaches and once with ling/bling. The roaches was unsuccessful because void ray popped (I could've gone something like 18 drone one queen all-in, which would probably work if unscouted, but that's risky as well). I was able to go ling/bling and take out the natural which pretty much ended the game once, especially since he was pretty gas-heavy on getting the +1 weapons upgrade, getting the tech to mothership (including mothership) so he was a bit short on the sentry count.

I would post replays but I want to talk to the practice partner to ensure that he's okay with it.

On October 07 2011 21:18 Rigorous wrote:
This build doesn't work. The timings to take a third even at 11-12 are not solid. Zerg can have like 160 supply of roaches at this time and just overwhelm your z and 1 arcohn and 1 mothership army. From there, zerg just pounds you again and again on your 2 base versus his 3-4 bases. I'm mid-masters btw. Don't do this build...it doesnt work.

On October 07 2011 21:39 the p00n wrote:


You have no idea what you are talking about.

On October 07 2011 22:08 pycho wrote:

hes right, zerg with a 4-5min third on shakuras will be on 160 supply roach/hydra at 11-12 while u have mothership 2 archons 10 zealots max, even if u vortex it u just do not have enough to kill it, and you know, not everyone runs all of their army into a vortex, and pretty much half of that army can kill what u have - this strat only works one time vs zergs who did not experienced it before and dont know what to do against it, u will not defeat any high level zerg with it more than one time.