[D] Is 6 pool overpowerd? - Page 7

On September 30 2011 02:37 TaurinE wrote:
Probes are actually more powerful than zerglings in my experience, GM every region here. So what you do is if you see the initial 6 lings get through your wall, all you have to do is pull 2 probes and they should handle it pretty well. Just remember to keep a probe : zergling ratio of 1:3

On September 30 2011 02:37 TaurinE wrote:
Probes are actually more powerful than zerglings in my experience, GM every region here. So what you do is if you see the initial 6 lings get through your wall, all you have to do is pull 2 probes and they should handle it pretty well. Just remember to keep a probe : zergling ratio of 1:3

On September 30 2011 02:37 TaurinE wrote:
Probes are actually more powerful than zerglings in my experience, GM every region here. So what you do is if you see the initial 6 lings get through your wall, all you have to do is pull 2 probes and they should handle it pretty well. Just remember to keep a probe : zergling ratio of 1:3

On September 30 2011 02:58 TaurinE wrote:
Zerglings are actually unable to use the attack command when they are on the ramp post 1.4 so if you hold position 2 probes at the top of it with your buildings for a wall off the lings can't kill them.

On September 29 2011 01:50 tehemperorer wrote:

And you're bad if you think it's not.

Can't the zerg just surround your pylon and then hold position? if your probes get near they'll be attacked automatically, otherwise they'll immediately switch back to the pylon.

On September 29 2011 06:10 TrickyGilligan wrote:


The issue isn't building an ovie before pool, it's mineral cost.

Supply depot + barracks = 250 minerals
Pylon + gateway = 250 minerals
Drone + spawning pool = 250 minerals

Now, one of the reasons the 6 pool is a better cheese than just rushing for the fastest possible gateway or rax is that you don't actually need to mine an extra 50 minerals to cover the cost of the drone, since you start with 6 of them. So really, if you're going to cheese, the spawning pool only costs 200 minerals. If you're going to keep building drones and play a macro game, it's 250 like all the other initial buildings.

It feels a bit unfair that the Zerg is allowed to have a medium risk, high reward opener while Protoss does not have such a thing and got crippeled for any early pressure. I think the Overlord first requirement would not harm any of the matchups but would allow for better PvZ experience overall.

On September 30 2011 05:45 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:


Last time I checked Forge FE still destroys hatch first builds, but you're right, it's not comparable to 6 pool because that's a no risk high reward build

Being able to Forge FE is highly map depended. Being able to punish a hatch first build with Cannons is aswell map and scouting luck depended

Furthermore you have to invest at least 400 minerals to denie a hatch first which does not win you the game automatically. So how exactly is FFE no risk, high reward at all?

The next big difference is that 6 pool is a gamble while FFE with cannons against hatch first is a reaction to a specific scouted ingame situation.

Blizzard has removed 7 rax reaper rush because of how hard it is to scout in time.. even though it was easily defendable as Protoss if they get a fast stalker.....(need supply depot before barracks) Blizzard has nerfed zealot rushes (zealot time from 33 to 38), and has reduced barracks time by 5 sec (to nerf fast marine bunker rushes).... yet they have done nothing to limit how insanely fast zergs can get lings out... often unscoutable if you are unlucky on a 4 player map. In Blizzard's mind, this should be nerfed just like the rest of the early game stuff. Terran needs suppy depot before barracks. Protoss needs pylon before gateway.... Zerg should need to make an OL before pool.