[D] Is 6 pool overpowerd? - Page 8

On September 30 2011 06:26 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:

Yes, that's how balance works in this game. Protoss and terran were nerfed, so zerg should be nerfed as well. An eye for an eye, right?

*Facepalm*

You're obviously an idiot, as you completely failed to comprehend my valid point. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with nerfing strategies that are considered to be "unscoutable in time for a player to react". I'm pretty sure no one actually thinks zealots coming out at 33 seconds is too strong, but it led to, as Blizzard stated, an insufficient amount of time for the opponent to react if you were 2 gate proxy rushing him (in PvP). The same goes for the supply depot before barracks reasoning. The fact that it just so happens that Zerg still has the ability to execute strategies that are often unable to be "scouted with a sufficient amount of time to react" is a design flaw by blizzard.

This has nothing to do with nerfing races, but nerfing those type of strategies. Agree with it or not, I'd think any reasonably intelligent person unlike yourself would agree that Blizzard should either remove all such strategies equally, or none at all... for a balanced game at least.

On September 30 2011 06:48 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:

Wow, immediately dropping down the insults because you made a flawed point? Pathetic.

6 pool is scoutable on time, easily, there is no wall between you and the pool, nothing blocking you whatsoever, and anything short of a nexus first will allow you to prepare and defend a 6 pool without blindly adjusting it.

WAY, WAY different from the other builds, that were (nearly) completely unscoutable that counter a vast majority of builds, they aren't specific builds that counter one specific variation of one specific build that would only kill you if you took the biggest risk you could possibly take (nexus first knowing you cannot scout on time, aka not on the first scouted spot).

6 pool isn't scoutable in time in a lot of cases on 4 player maps. You obviously don't even play this game at a high level. Even when it fails, the zerg isn't behind, as seen in a lot of pro matches. That is more than enough justification for something to be changed. The other builds were no less scoutable than 6 pool is, and 6 pool comes far earlier than any of those builds did. 6 pool is far harder to stop and be ahead than 7 rax reaper or zealot rushing ever was.

What are you even talking about a wall? There is no wall off in any of the builds I mentioned. Another reading comprehension fail... just quit now.

On September 30 2011 07:01 DarkEnergy wrote:
Well you take that risk if you fe. we zerg do this allot and we get punished by it to. for example a 2 rax/proxy rax into bunker rush. or cannons at the nat etc. you can't really say broken or nerf because you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar right ?
and if what your saying is really true follow this advice.
if you just build a full wall and cannon up you win all those games.

On September 30 2011 07:03 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
And you cannot scout 6 pool before you toss down a nexus first, so maybe not do the riskiest build available every game, as I said before, every safe build prepares for it automatically. Nexus first when you know he's not at the first spot is not safe, neither is hatchery first on Tal'Darim when you don't know whether or not he's doing a forge FE.

You don't have to do 15 nexus every game.

And drop the condescending attitude, it's really only making you look like a little kid that's raging because he lost to a 6 pool a couple of times (although that's probably the truth)

On September 30 2011 07:03 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:

Define "fails", then? 2 gating or 2 raxing can "fail", as in, not kill anything and you'll still be even if the opponent cuts enough workers or you kill a pylon/forge.

And you cannot scout 6 pool before you toss down a nexus first, so maybe not do the riskiest build available every game, as I said before, every safe build prepares for it automatically. Nexus first when you know he's not at the first spot is not safe, neither is hatchery first on Tal'Darim when you don't know whether or not he's doing a forge FE.

You don't have to do 15 nexus every game.

And drop the condescending attitude, it's really only making you look like a little kid that's raging because he lost to a 6 pool a couple of times (although that's probably the truth)


Proxy gate is hidden and terrans usually have their base walled off.

What are you talking about you fool. When have I mentioned Nexus first at all? I'm talking about the build in general. It is stronger even against gate first builds than any of the cheese that blizzard nerfed ever was, yet here it remains.

On September 30 2011 07:00 Zanzabarr wrote:


6 pool isn't scoutable in time in a lot of cases on 4 player maps. You obviously don't even play this game at a high level. Even when it fails, the zerg isn't behind, as seen in a lot of pro matches. That is more than enough justification for something to be changed. The other builds were no less scoutable than 6 pool is, and 6 pool comes far earlier than any of those builds did. 6 pool is far harder to stop and be ahead than 7 rax reaper or zealot rushing ever was.

What are you even talking about a wall? There is no wall off in any of the builds I mentioned. Another reading comprehension fail... just quit now.

Having to double scout on ever 4 player map that early in the game because of the possibility of 6-pool is ridiculous. Blizzard has removed strategies from the game that require far less preparation.

Link me a game of a pro losing to a 6 pool after doing anything but a nexus first build (or forge FE with a later than 12/13 forge)

On September 30 2011 07:06 Zanzabarr wrote:


Lol Blizzard just "nerfed" bunker rushing slightly because of how good it was. I highly doubt any of you people mentioning stuff like "just wall" have ever even played Protoss or have any inclination about how fast the lings come. You actually lose if you wall off completely... your zealot can't get on the outside to attack lings and you lose your gateway. Also going forge first and building a bunch of cannons behind a wall off for your main puts you behind the zerg economically, as he is free to drone/expand.

I've seen iNcontroL lose to 6-pool going gateway first probably 10+ times on his stream alone... I've seen it in the GSL, but I do not have a pass for replays, and I doubt you do either.