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HTODethklok
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
September 21 2011 19:51 GMT
#21
I was under the impression that any use of macro keys was a violation of the TOS so thanks you for making this thread. Had I known I could rebind a single key to my macro keys I would have been using them this whole time! I feel like I can finally give up the backspace method of injecting.
Guns for show... Knives for a pro HTODethklok.201 NA
NmE_
Profile Joined December 2010
United States87 Posts
September 21 2011 19:54 GMT
#22
Alright, getting a little off topic here..

Anyway, my point is this;

I don't know why zergs use 123 as army and not queens - injects > army size (at any given time)

I don't know why people would use "custom" or "non-standard" keyboards/mice to play. (By non-standard" I mean aside from the basic qwerty keyboard that does not rely on gimmicy buttons)

TL;DR Who gives a fuck, lets go play starcraft!!!
NmE_
Profile Joined December 2010
United States87 Posts
September 21 2011 19:55 GMT
#23
On September 22 2011 04:51 HTODethklok wrote:
I was under the impression that any use of macro keys was a violation of the TOS so thanks you for making this thread. Had I known I could rebind a single key to my macro keys I would have been using them this whole time! I feel like I can finally give up the backspace method of injecting.



Why not just use 1, 2, 3 as your queens?

1v2v3v is pretty easy to type out.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 19:59:54
September 21 2011 19:58 GMT
#24
@OP don't worry about that guy, he's just the token thread nitpicker imo. I've had my keyboard for 10 years and im sure yours will last a long time as well as long as you dont smash it around like you're 10 years old

also if you have a 5 button mouse i suggest using a program to rebind controlgroups on your mouse. At least for me it helped a lot specifically with adding to / making new control groups and not so much selecting them. I've done this recently so still getting used to it but I figure it'll work great when i do start using it regularily. You can also do some nifty things with your mouse wheel regarding warpgate macro and super fast worker transfers ^>^
hihihi
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
September 21 2011 20:00 GMT
#25
On September 22 2011 04:51 HTODethklok wrote:
I was under the impression that any use of macro keys was a violation of the TOS so thanks you for making this thread. Had I known I could rebind a single key to my macro keys I would have been using them this whole time! I feel like I can finally give up the backspace method of injecting.


yay im glad i could help. just dont bind scripts (for instance: m1 = 4,s,d for a one button larva select). and you'll be okay!

On September 22 2011 04:54 NmE_ wrote:
Alright, getting a little off topic here..

Anyway, my point is this;

I don't know why zergs use 123 as army and not queens - injects > army size (at any given time)

I don't know why people would use "custom" or "non-standard" keyboards/mice to play. (By non-standard" I mean aside from the basic qwerty keyboard that does not rely on gimmicy buttons)

TL;DR Who gives a fuck, lets go play starcraft!!!


i have definitely been considering using 1 as my hatcheries with this new setup which leaves the rest of the control groups up to 7 (keeping my same queen layout of 8, 9, 0) and creates a lot of opportunity for multiple control groups. i find that very intriguing and may have to give it a shot.

besides..for me, anyway, 1a2a3a isnt as "quick" to press as 2a3a4a5a. i get tied up after the 1a very briefly.

i think i'll be testing this out tonight. thanks for the suggestion ^^
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
HTODethklok
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
September 21 2011 20:00 GMT
#26
On September 22 2011 04:55 NmE_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 04:51 HTODethklok wrote:
I was under the impression that any use of macro keys was a violation of the TOS so thanks you for making this thread. Had I known I could rebind a single key to my macro keys I would have been using them this whole time! I feel like I can finally give up the backspace method of injecting.



Why not just use 1, 2, 3 as your queens?

1v2v3v is pretty easy to type out.


Because I prefer my army to be on keys 1-4 since they are closer to the A key my hatchs on 5 and queens on 6,7,8 with all queens on 9 which I rebound to W to do backspace injects. Using this new method I can have my army keys close to A and my queen keys close to V. Its just what feels comfortable for me.
Guns for show... Knives for a pro HTODethklok.201 NA
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
September 21 2011 20:01 GMT
#27
On September 22 2011 04:58 askTeivospy wrote:
@OP don't worry about that guy, he's just the token thread nitpicker imo. I've had my keyboard for 10 years and im sure yours will last a long time as well as long as you dont smash it around like you're 10 years old

also if you have a 5 button mouse i suggest using a program to rebind controlgroups on your mouse. At least for me it helped a lot specifically with adding to / making new control groups and not so much selecting them. I've done this recently so still getting used to it but I figure it'll work great when i do start using it regularily. You can also do some nifty things with your mouse wheel regarding warpgate macro and super fast worker transfers ^>^


this is another thing ive considered..im not sure what i keys i would bind to the back and forward buttons as a zerg..inject and creep tumor? the select function for larva? fungals and neurals? i'll have to give this more thought as well!
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 20:11:40
September 21 2011 20:11 GMT
#28
If you have a fancy keyboard, I think a way better use for those keys would be location hotkeys
If you assign each hatchery to a location you would need to tap them once each (instead of twice) to cycle through hatcheries. You'd need to keep all queens on 1 hotkeys, hit inject, and hold shift while cycling.

This is the 2nd fastest injection method there is. The fastest is the backspace one but that has the roaming queens problem.

It's also the method I use, although I have a crappy keyboard and need to rebind shift+1-5 as location hotkeys.
m4gdelen4
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
September 21 2011 20:14 GMT
#29
Just curious are F keys (f2 f3 f4) usually allowed in tournaments? Or do tournaments allow remapping keys?
it does to blue what blue does to you
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
September 21 2011 20:19 GMT
#30
Also I can give out more suggesions:

rebind spacebar to a controlgroup and use that for harassing/scouting units, something that you typically use when multitasking a lot. The "jump to last alert" is unusable anyway.

The Q key is used only for "birth queen" for zerg. You can rebind birth queen to e.g. A and use Q for what you prefer.
Same for the G key, which is only used for worker rally points.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
September 21 2011 20:25 GMT
#31
On September 22 2011 04:34 NmE_ wrote:
ight, going with the golf theme...


Would you rather be a good player with ANY set of clubs? Or a good player with only your set?


I guess what I am saying is that I find it gimmicky to buy $90 keyboards when my HP keyboard that I have boxes of from work works just fine. I have 160apm (I dont spam anything, or else it would be higher) so it is not like a $90 keyboard would make me play better. Nor would a $500 driver. I would still shank that fucker as much as a old wooden one.

Also, I played golf for years and worked at a country club for a few years.


There are DISTINCT advantages to playing with a programmable keyboard such as the Black Widow. They enable MUCH better hotkey and control group setups than standard keyboards can have, at least without scripts from AutoHotKey, etc.
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
September 21 2011 20:46 GMT
#32
yea i will be rebinding the f keys to my macro buttons on my g110, better than having the buttons as 'gl hf'
North Korea is best Korea!
wingweaver415
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States66 Posts
September 21 2011 20:57 GMT
#33
Wow, this is defeintely alot of help...I was thinking of getting the Maurader keyboard but now i think id rather have the black widow....
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 23:11:44
September 21 2011 22:57 GMT
#34
On September 22 2011 05:46 amd098 wrote:
yea i will be rebinding the f keys to my macro buttons on my g110, better than having the buttons as 'gl hf'


be careful using that macro. blizzard isn't too keen on actual macros like pressing a key to say "enter+glhf+enter"


On September 22 2011 05:57 wingweaver415 wrote:
Wow, this is defeintely alot of help...I was thinking of getting the Maurader keyboard but now i think id rather have the black widow....


glad to have helped you make that choice ^^


On September 22 2011 05:11 dementrio wrote:
If you have a fancy keyboard, I think a way better use for those keys would be location hotkeys
If you assign each hatchery to a location you would need to tap them once each (instead of twice) to cycle through hatcheries. You'd need to keep all queens on 1 hotkeys, hit inject, and hold shift while cycling.

This is the 2nd fastest injection method there is. The fastest is the backspace one but that has the roaming queens problem.

It's also the method I use, although I have a crappy keyboard and need to rebind shift+1-5 as location hotkeys.


i see your point and i would argue, respectfully, that if youre going to have it as location keys you may as well have the queens individually hotkeyed.

that way you can control the individual queens and reduce clicking in non-inject situations. or if they wander off a bit, with them individually hotkeyed, its a quick fix to get them back into the proper position (on the right side of the hatch). but i definitely see the benefits of using the macro keys as camera location keys.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 23:12:43
September 21 2011 23:12 GMT
#35
this is why i use the Razer Naga mouse, i can access all of my hotkeys simply from my mouse's thumb buttons

i love it it's so nice
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
September 21 2011 23:18 GMT
#36
On September 22 2011 07:57 immortlone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 05:46 amd098 wrote:
yea i will be rebinding the f keys to my macro buttons on my g110, better than having the buttons as 'gl hf'


be careful using that macro. blizzard isn't too keen on actual macros like pressing a key to say "enter+glhf+enter"


.


its worse... its 1 key for g,one for l, one for h, one for f
so i hit enter then swipe the 4 buttons and get a glhf :p

laziest of lazy
North Korea is best Korea!
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
September 21 2011 23:20 GMT
#37
if i were you i'd play without macro, like a normal lan setting. to want to get better at the same, you should determined to play it the 'normal' way ^^
xd
Perfect
Profile Joined August 2010
United States322 Posts
September 21 2011 23:20 GMT
#38
I have a blackwidow and I have not used those keys because i thought that they were not allowed in tournament setting as it may be an unfair advantage.

Was that an MLG clip and they allowed him to use that keyboard?

VERY VERY interesting
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
September 21 2011 23:26 GMT
#39
On September 22 2011 08:18 amd098 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 07:57 immortlone wrote:
On September 22 2011 05:46 amd098 wrote:
yea i will be rebinding the f keys to my macro buttons on my g110, better than having the buttons as 'gl hf'


be careful using that macro. blizzard isn't too keen on actual macros like pressing a key to say "enter+glhf+enter"


.


its worse... its 1 key for g,one for l, one for h, one for f
so i hit enter then swipe the 4 buttons and get a glhf :p

laziest of lazy


haha if thats what youre doing thats fine. thats extremely funny, though!

On September 22 2011 08:20 ElusoryX wrote:
if i were you i'd play without macro, like a normal lan setting. to want to get better at the same, you should determined to play it the 'normal' way ^^


lets be fair. this is the "normal" way especially when you consider that blizzard has designed a custom hotkeys feature, right? i could create the most bizarre hotkey layout known to man, but all that matters is what works for me. there is no "normal" way anymore.

On September 22 2011 08:20 Perfect wrote:
I have a blackwidow and I have not used those keys because i thought that they were not allowed in tournament setting as it may be an unfair advantage.

Was that an MLG clip and they allowed him to use that keyboard?

VERY VERY interesting


yessir this was at MLG! from what i understand its okay as long as youre not issuing a macro command such as making my m1 key press "4+s+d" for a one keystroke larva select. using the macro keys in a 1-to-1 mapping like i outlined, its a-okay!
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
aurigenesis
Profile Joined October 2010
32 Posts
September 30 2011 16:30 GMT
#40
Here's a dumb question while you were guys were talking about it; I made two macro's off of my Razer Marauder keyboard although it could be done with any capable keyboard. One for good luck, have fun with some spades characters thrown in (Alt + Num 6) and one for GG that has some heart characters (Alt + Num 3) and the GG one does a F10 + N so basically I hit one key it says my outro and exits the game. Is that really a bannable offense to do that instead of actual commands?
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