So the consensus is to tech up to ghosts, +1 and stim and forgo the factory/starport?

Here's a replay of me getting owned by this build with 1rax FE, feel free to critique.

http://drop.sc/36950

Keilah

731 Posts

September 23 2011 07:25 GMT

#282

I'll repeat, the 'counter' to this build is to build nothing on the low ground, retreat everything up your ramp, and float your CC back to your main when the protoss attacks. He's not going to be able to bust your ramp, but you'll have a big mineral advantage already + still getting MULES from that second CC. Wait for EMP/+1/medivacs, ferry down, crush his army and win the game.

fallore

United States143 Posts

September 23 2011 08:43 GMT

#283

edit: double post oops

fallore

United States143 Posts

September 23 2011 08:44 GMT

#284

On September 17 2011 05:39 Soulish wrote:
a high diamond protoss just tried it against me and it failed horribly. I did a 1 rax FE and it was a piece of cake holding this with 1fact pumping out siege tanks and mmm. immortals trade terribly against marines and if you're holding a position at your natural you can make 2 bunkers and camp him out. Don't see what the big fuss is about. Once he loses the immortals it's gg.

funny thing was the diamond blocked me right after in a fit of nerdrage ^^. Ender, I'm looking at you.

can you post the replay?

On September 23 2011 16:25 Keilah wrote:
I'll repeat, the 'counter' to this build is to build nothing on the low ground, retreat everything up your ramp, and float your CC back to your main when the protoss attacks. He's not going to be able to bust your ramp, but you'll have a big mineral advantage already + still getting MULES from that second CC. Wait for EMP/+1/medivacs, ferry down, crush his army and win the game.

while he has an observer watching everything? can easily put down an expansion once protoss gets you on a good contain and respond accordingly to whatever you try. a lot of my games i've gotten to the terran natural and been able to forcefield their army in.

Acidfiend

Australia11 Posts

September 24 2011 14:32 GMT

#285

Can anyone provide post 1.4 patch replays? I'm v. noob and am very keen to learn this! I really only know 4-gate and even then its quite bad *blush*

Keilah

731 Posts

September 25 2011 08:58 GMT

#286

Been testing out a build based on this that includes an expansion. You can do this only when he isn't pressuring early, but if you misread and he's attacking you, you should still be able to survive and do well by cancelling your nexus. Fast robo and a chronoboosted observer should give you the info you need.

I'm fairly certain that this basic build can be crafted into a solid PvT opening able to respond appropriately to everything, including:
- 2 port banshee (get a stargate, take extra gas, stop immortals, possibly build a cannon or two) -cloaked banshees (more observers, less immortals)
-standard 1/1/1 with tanks (play it like this and you'll be fine, don't try to push him, just defend and it's ezmode)
-ghost/rine pushes (just 1 immortal, then colossi, untested. possibly you have to cancel the expansion nexus vs 1base ghost)

If the terran just plays passive, you hit him at around 9:20 with 4 immortals, +1 armor, 5 gates, and some (forget) gateway units. Oh, and an expansion this time =P

I practiced a bunch of games vs my brother, who TBH is better than me. He beat me a bunch until I realized you really, really need to get the observer into his base to see if he's making tanks/siege/banshees/cloak/2port/ghost. Making 4 immortals isn't always good =[

here's one where I end up losing, but it was a pretty epic game anyways =) He takes advantage of my greatest weakness, multitasking/dealing with harass, eventually he breaks my expo and wins in a base race.
http://drop.sc/37450

here's one where I win vs a siege/raven/banshee/3rax. We both make some fairly big errors but I'm confident that this is close to a build order win.
http://drop.sc/37447

Ahrun

United States100 Posts

September 25 2011 17:44 GMT

#287

I've been using this to great success, most terrans at my level just go mm early, this just rocks everything. Been great using this, I've lost once because of not knowing how to deal with cloacked banshees. Seems like as long as you do quite a bit of damage you can still expand. You have quite a few probes anyway with this so won't be to far behind if you can't quite kill him.

Bashion

Cook Islands2612 Posts

October 01 2011 22:50 GMT

#288

Wow
I watched Hister pull this build against Stephano earlier today.

Can you post the replay please?

Klyberess

Sweden345 Posts

October 01 2011 23:11 GMT

#289

On October 02 2011 07:50 Bashion wrote:
Wow
I watched Hister pull this build against Stephano earlier today.

Can you post the replay please?

What, zergs can lose to immortals?

SuperYo1000

United States880 Posts

October 01 2011 23:31 GMT

#290

you can pull it off verse zerg....I usually pressure with 2 gate (lots of zealots 4-8) to force him to get roaches. but then go into 4 immortal with armor ( i like armor cuz it adds so much survivebilty to immortal verse zerglings) add gates as you see fit and hit him....usually win at that point. with a couple full energy sentries with your immortals makes them virtually unstoppable

xCenasfu

Finland143 Posts

October 06 2011 14:25 GMT

#291

It works great in low leagues atleast.. was pretty frustrated with moarauders strategies before. I'm still amazed how Immortals just demolish bunkers and tanks..

Stipulation

United States587 Posts

October 12 2011 14:22 GMT

#292

This build is amazing. I'm like 15-2 with it having lost to proxy fact float and 1-1-1.

oOOoOphidian

United States1402 Posts

October 16 2011 02:15 GMT

#293

I just saw MKP lost to Hister on NA ladder. :O

Hister

United States89 Posts

October 16 2011 16:51 GMT

#294

On October 16 2011 11:15 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I just saw MKP lost to Hister on NA ladder. :O

He won the first game but I crushed him the second game

SuperYo1000

United States880 Posts

October 17 2011 01:55 GMT

#295

On October 17 2011 01:51 Hister wrote:

Show nested quote +

He won the first game but I crushed him the second game

any way we could get a replay of those games?

DustinQQ

United States69 Posts

October 17 2011 07:35 GMT

#296

i'm predicting a nerf to immortals to what they were before b/c this build is so strong :p. it even got hister to 1700 pts because he just does this build every PvT and cheeses all of his other matchups.

MeatSnack

United States23 Posts

October 17 2011 07:53 GMT

#297

I wanna try this. I'm getting stale on PvTs.

Hister

United States89 Posts

October 18 2011 07:07 GMT

#298

On October 17 2011 16:35 DustinQQ wrote:
i'm predicting a nerf to immortals to what they were before b/c this build is so strong :p. it even got hister to 1700 pts because he just does this build every PvT and cheeses all of his other matchups.

I was doing alright vs terran before the patch my PvZ improved this season why my points went up

Crazypyro1

United States446 Posts

November 03 2011 22:00 GMT

#299

Just lost to a protoss doing a similar build on me and I'm zerg. I scouted it and didn't even know what to do because forcefields would stop the banelings, zealots wreck the zerglings, and immortals kill spines/roaches.

Didn't want to make a new thread unless I needed to, just wondering if any other zergs have faced this.

Heres a replay: http://replayfu.com/r/Gmqkhc

riverkim09

United States291 Posts

November 03 2011 22:02 GMT

#300

I feel like this is one of those builds that are strong at first but become uselss as time goes on and ppl adapt. Like 11/11