Histers PvT Immortal style. - Page 11

On September 16 2011 01:07 Acidictadpole wrote:



Didn't Proxima have them in his replays?

On September 16 2011 01:55 VassiliZaytsev wrote:
The armor almost infinitely better. Someone put the numbers earlier as 34 marine shots compared to 50 marine shots.. and something like... over 150 shots to kill an immortal. It reduces marine damage from 3 - 2, a 50% decrease. General rule of thumb, armor upgrades against fast firing units like marines. The + 1 attack would barely do anything.

Ok I did a bunch of calculations about damage/armor/etc, but it got really annoying trying to figure out all the possibilities so i'm just going to say the following: Your units all attack pretty slowly, and the +1 attack only has like a couple cases where it actually takes less shots to kill a marine or marauder. Some notable ones.. Immortals 2 shot stimmed marauders. But quite honestly, its increasing your DPS by like 20% but increasing his by 50% for his marines.

Imagine for a second that you were able somehow to rush +2 armor against his 0 attack (probably impossible but..) you would reduce his marine damage to 1.. so it would take him over 100 shots to kill a zealot, and over 250 to kill an immortal.

tldr; ARMOR over ATTACKKKKKKKK! dont waste time testing it

On September 16 2011 02:25 101toss wrote:

Will +1 armor save you against banshees, thors, and tanks?

On September 16 2011 01:25 BoondockVeritas wrote:
I like the idea of protoss being able to beat 1-1-1 and break a terrans front(something that was previously almost impossible if they mass repair bunkers) but i'm feeling a little like day9. why make 5 gates, a robo, and a forge on one base? i play around on the ptr some and i tried this same idea out with just 3gate robo and forge and it worked out fairly well because it was easier to produce constantly on 3gates vs 5 while still getting some immortals and the armor upgrade. personally 3gate robo forge with the ability to hold attacks, go attack and potentially end the game or do damage, and then expand and easily tech and continue to get upgrades is more appealing than 5gate robo forge where you're basically all in with a higher chance of ending the game, but if you don't it might be tough to transition out.

hwangsin has been doing a 3gate robo that is something like this, but he does his a little different without the upgrade and other stuff. zeerax (i think) was uprising around the time mondragon first showed up in sc2(again don't quote me on this) and he was playing around with zealot/sentry/immortal and just killing terrans with it. this idea isn't new, but the build is definitely something nice to know how to do now

also has anyone considered +1 attack off of 3-5 gate robo instead of defense? i understand that the armor is to make marines not melt your army, but if you did an earlier smaller attack with less of everything before big numbers of marines come out, would the extra 5 damage against armored and zealots doing 2 more on top of guardian shields be better? i'd test it but school hasn't been kind

On September 15 2011 23:45 VassiliZaytsev wrote:
Hmm, I keep crushing this with a 1 rax FE gasless.. As long as I have stim, I've never had to have more than 3 bunkers and have actually never had to bring my scvs to repair (whats the point anyways against like 300 dps against bunkers lol).

If you are doing the 1 rax gasless FE into 3 rax, get 2 tech lab and 1 reactor and just pump constant 2 marines 2 marauders while instantly researching stim. Stim will be done by 9:00, perfect timing to stop this push, and marauders actually do better against it than marines do for a few reasons.

1. Higher DPS against everything. A Marauder does 16 damage to a Immortal past its shields, even which GS, while a marine does 2. A Marauder does 6 damage to a zealot past its shields, while a marine does 2.

2. Coupled with almost 3 times the health, they are pretty sturdy against the zealot sentry (of course they do take more damage from immortals).

Don't go overboard with bunkers, as this will just spread out your units too much, and you want them bunched up. The +1 attack helps, but to be honest I almost never have it out in time for the initial push (it might finish while the fight is going on), but it's never mattered. My friend did it about 5 times to me and I didn't lose to it a single time and it's not like I specifically rushed for ghosts or anything, I was just doing my normal terran macro build.

For reference, with the finished research of stim and +1, the DPS of a marine in your army vs his army increases by 225% which is nuts. The most important upgrade is stim for sure.

Extra info, I usually put the marines in bunkers rather than the marauders, as they are the weaker units health wise, and always remember to stim your bunkers right as the engagement starts for that little extra bit of DPS.

I was analyzing my replays against this last night and every time this build would be close to hitting or hitting(the 9:30 mark), I would have 3 rax, stim done, and about 10 marauders and 17 marines with 2-3 bunkers as well as having a starport OTW for quick teching to medivacs.

I'll drop like 3 replays of this when I get home from work.

On September 16 2011 02:53 King.Crimson wrote:
Isn't Hister a character prophesied by Nostradamus that turned out to be Hitler? Or something like that. I know Haggard sing about it in Awaking the centuries.

On September 16 2011 01:20 Bro_Stone wrote:


He played hister 3 times in a row... Don't you think HE KNEW the push was coming?

On September 16 2011 03:03 socommaster123 wrote:
In your build you say build double gas at 17 but in the replay you get gas at 14 and 17 which is the correct way to do it!?!?