EPT[D] Patch 1.4 and its implications - Page 13
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CrumpetGuvnor
Australia302 Posts
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mistamike
Switzerland18 Posts
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NewJulyZerg
Canada29 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
I pray you still somehow make mech work GoOdy  | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
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Thraundil
Denmark278 Posts
On August 26 2011 14:58 SheaR619 wrote: I think people forgotten that a stimmed marine does twice as much DPS as a blue flame hellion attacking a light units. Hellion got one of the WORST DPS in the game. They need to splash in order to make up for their shitty attack speed. This is going to be a nail in the coffin for mech in TvP (maybe TvZ as well?). I pray you still somehow make mech work GoOdy This is just out of context... A stimmed marine does more dps than an infestor does with fungal growth to light armor. What you should have typed is: Hellions got one of the worst singletarget dps in the game. But honestly, how often do you use a hellion to only fire at a single target? If you honestly thought blueflame hellion mineral line drops were perfectly balanced then I can positively identify you as a terran mech player :p Mech will still work, only now you will need a few more hellions to melt a zealot line. I actually question wether this will be enough to put it on a fair level. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On August 26 2011 18:15 Thraundil wrote: This is just out of context... A stimmed marine does more dps than an infestor does with fungal growth to light armor. What you should have typed is: Hellions got one of the worst singletarget dps in the game. But honestly, how often do you use a hellion to only fire at a single target? If you honestly thought blueflame hellion mineral line drops were perfectly balanced then I can positively identify you as a terran mech player :p Mech will still work, only now you will need a few more hellions to melt a zealot line. I actually question wether this will be enough to put it on a fair level. I can identify you as a player who have no idea what your talking about. | ||
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
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durr
United States148 Posts
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Thraundil
Denmark278 Posts
On August 26 2011 20:02 phyren wrote: I'm always confused by how people say the bfh nerf will give you more time to react to hellions in the mineral lines. It doesn't mean terrans will actually take 50% longer to kill workers every time. Rather, it means terrans will have to attack with groups of 3 or 4 bfh instead of 2. Still a nice attempt to make them less dominant (personally I feel they have even more potential than what they are being used for so far), but the damage can still be done easily enough. Well consider the following scenario. A hatchery defended by 2 spine crawlers in the mineral line and a queen is attacked by 4 BFH. Pre-patch: spines and queens might kill 1 hellion reasonably fast, and then another hellion after they have taken their first shot and killed a batch of drones. A dispatch of lings are sent to defend, but sadly the 2 hellions that are left have already killed their cost worth. Post-patch: spines and queens will still kill that one hellion before much damage can be done, and the 3 remaining hellions will kill the same amount of drones before the 2nd hellion falls. But the last 2 hellions will need to take an additional shot at the drones now in order to kill them, allowing the lings precious seconds to reinforce and kill off the threat. Its not much, and I personally would've rather seen hellion speed reduced or its splash range / splash rate reduced. But I'll take what I can get; this will make anti hellion defense just a tiny bit more bearable. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
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Thraundil
Denmark278 Posts
On August 26 2011 20:20 Tschis wrote: I don't understand why the OP thinks the vision range up ramps will change scouting in a bad way. For all I know (from what I understood), the units down the ramp will have an extra range free of vision from the units up the ramp, so that's better for scouting? The other way around: units poking up ramps will see 1 range less than they do currently. So spotting e.g. a terran expansion building with a probe or drone/ling will be more difficult. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
On August 26 2011 18:15 Thraundil wrote: This is just out of context... A stimmed marine does more dps than an infestor does with fungal growth to light armor. What you should have typed is: Hellions got one of the worst singletarget dps in the game. But honestly, how often do you use a hellion to only fire at a single target? If you honestly thought blueflame hellion mineral line drops were perfectly balanced then I can positively identify you as a terran mech player :p Mech will still work, only now you will need a few more hellions to melt a zealot line. I actually question wether this will be enough to put it on a fair level. Mech was never viable vs toss, so this changes nothing about the boring matchup. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:43 Hider wrote: I can identify you as a player who have no idea what your talking about. Comparing DPS like that doesn't make sense... f.e. Roaches might have the worst dps of the game, but they are THE unit to go for in ZvZ and ZvP as zerg in most cases, and pretty decent vs Terran too. Also I want to add, that Mech in TvP and TvZ is just crap anyway imo... There is a reason you never see it TvP and there is a reason why it is hardly ever played in TvZ on high level. And before you say:"but how should I play mech now???", I have never heard a Protoss complain about how unfair it is that he can't play Pure Robo style... that being said I don't think the BFH change was necessary (even considering that huge icon buff in the last patch  , but I don't think it is huge... TLO plays TvZ Mech without blueflame, because in combats 10+hellions roast ling/bling without blue flame as well... | ||
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rmAmnesiac
United Kingdom185 Posts
On August 26 2011 03:57 sleepingdog wrote: Did I read your posts just right, do you REALLY complain about terrans being....underrepresented? Well, yeah, in average masters maybe, because most of them are in grandmaster, herpderp I've said this multiple times today: once terrans drop below 50-60% in GSL we can talk about them being even with the other races (still another step for being weaker) Terran has dominated continuosly since release, not despite but because of the fact that you CAN use multi-pronged attacks/harass/etc. thanks for proving my point. not everyone who plays this game have the time to practise 5 plus hours a day and on a semi-pro/pro level of play. i reached masters as a random palyer and chose the race i enjoyed most. why should i have to outplay opponents to stay level with my opponents at this level simply because i don't play this game on gm, or pro level? how is that balanced? | ||
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rmAmnesiac
United Kingdom185 Posts
On August 26 2011 10:55 setmeal wrote: Are you suggesting that we increase Stim research cost to 200/200? That would make it more fair for terrans in general right? I always feel so bad when I research stim cos its simply way too cheap. Concussive shells should also be 150/100 in my opinion. What do you guys think? i think you have no understanding of the terran race or this game in general and like the majority of posters in this thread have no actual proof to support this whole 'let's nerf terran to oblivion' theory, other than herp derp 400 apm korean pros who paly 10 hours a day can dominate with the race | ||
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CarlaBruni
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just saying lol btw was there such a gap between one race and the others in any rts before i dont remember in bw having such domination | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On August 26 2011 20:43 rmAmnesiac wrote: i think you have no understanding of the terran race or this game in general and like the majority of posters in this thread have no actual proof to support this whole 'let's nerf terran to oblivion' theory, other than herp derp 400 apm korean pros who paly 10 hours a day can dominate with the race Just posting to insult someone rather than putting forward a valid argument in a polite manner is hardly the way to support your argument. Nothing in your post suggests that you yourself have better understanding than the other guy. | ||
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rmAmnesiac
United Kingdom185 Posts
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