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On August 11 2011 00:08 TangSC wrote:
You can do anything from there, Shadrak, that's the beauty of it. Drop your evo at 6:50 and go roaches and take a 3rd and do roach/infestor like you said is one option. Another is hydra/speedling play with either a creep highway, drop, or nydus. You can even do the ling/baneling drops/infestor, the sky is the limit.
Yeah I was playing around w/ this build and the followups to it last night and I'm amazed at how clean everything runs. Despite being in masters, I've always just kind of winged my openings as Zerg (I know...) but this really showed me how a crisp build can feel. Definitely helping me take my play to the next level. Thanks again for posting this.
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Tang, any chance you could make a similar post for a Hatch first build? I've been using this build in all matchups to get practice, but I feel a bit silly doing it vs. Terran.
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Thanks for the good framework tang. I'm going to apply it to my ling infestor play. Basically I do the destiny type of build. The problem is though if you follow the BO rigidly you lose to all kinds of stuff. For example, vs Terran I often get faster geysers simply because I need infestors out at 9 minutes. Otherwise I get tank crushed. Similarly vs ffe I take a fast third and drone longer. A framework for the strategy gives you lots more options rather than needing to follow it exactly when copying a BO.
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I literally go hatch-first 0%. Sorry Steveo
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Going hatch first is a good way to get pylon/cannon walled. In order to prevent this, you have to patrol a drone at the wallof location and keep the first overlord you make over your natural to watch for activity. In the end it results in being less economic/safe than simply getting a pool earlier.
To do the all in you pretty much keep your drones on gas, or put them back in soon to get gas for the roaches.
Another opener for a macro map might be 11 overpool or 12 pool 18/whatever hatch. You can get the lings up in time for early pressure, quick queen, but delay the gas for a while- until 30-40 supply depending on what you scout.
No reason to get ultra fast ling speed vs a nexus first forge fast expand, in other words, if you're aiming for a macro game.
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Ty for the info once again Tang, your guides always have some amount of very viable info I can always keep with me 
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Nice post, helps a lot to master the different steps in a build. But I really wonder when do I have to upgrade to lair ? While attacking?
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It'll depend, sTb. Typically you delay your lair because you want to be on one gas for your push and steadily reinforce with lings. If you get enough drones early on, though, you can go for lair but often I'll take a 3rd before lair and go for an evo for emergency detection.
I'm going to experiment a lot more with doing a roach/ling push aimed only at sniping sentries and later doing a speed roach +1/infestor push. I'll get back to you on that!
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It would be late for a roach/ling attack against Terran, but not toss. You would probably want to get your warren earlier in case of hellions, probably in the mid or early 20s. A third queen wouldn't hurt against that style of play either.
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wow you don't realize how much this upped my game ima gold plat zerg and had trouble with toss when they fast expanded this build has now won me 6 games running and the only games i lose are very close and usually due to errors early on thanks man solid.
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Im a Terran and this helped me not getting nit picky about the little things and try to just focus on the bigger picture.
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Yeah Iodik, I use 14/14 Expand very close to every game and I've found having that solid/safe opening to be so crucial to overall success. Also, it's not at all a bad build for economy.
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Probably the best post I've ever read on explaining how to create your own style of play.
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Man this is a damn strong timing push. It doesn't feel as great on the bigger maps though (tal'darim) ?
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Well on tal'darim they'll probably Forge FE and be prepared for this type of push with extra cannons. If you're aggressive on Tal'darim, you'll either want very early roaches with a warren at like 22-25food or a fast 14/14 baneling bust. If you want to macro, you need to take an early third to stay even/ahead.
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I do this quite frequently now and enjoy this opening. Thanks again Tang. Love your posts.
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way cool man hope to see more posts like this it's awesome and very effective
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