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On May 13 2012 06:05 HeroMystic wrote:
Are there any TvZ Raven builds?
I'm interested in applying Ravens vs Broodlords but I'm not sure when to transition into them.
If you are looking for using Ravens vs Broodlords you dont have to really open up with them. Just make sure to throw down extra ports at the right timing. I try to scan and find out when he goes hive and what tech he goes for from there. If I dont spot anything BL related I will always throw down extra ports at around 16min anyway, just to be safe.
I recommend 4 ports in total, 2 with tech labs and 2 with reactors. If you get caught off-guard by BLs you probably just wanna get vikings, as your ravens just wont get the energy needed in time. Else feel free to add a couple of ravens if you notice the start of a BL transition.
Cheers
Dan
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i need some mech-players in all match ups in my stream list.. any suggestions?
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On May 13 2012 21:01 saaaa wrote:
i need some mech-players in all match ups in my stream list.. any suggestions?
Beastyqt and rainbow plays mech a lot against z ,so des Turuk and goody but i don't know if they provide streams.
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On May 13 2012 22:35 Tartiflette wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 21:01 saaaa wrote:
i need some mech-players in all match ups in my stream list.. any suggestions? Beastyqt and rainbow plays mech a lot against z ,so des Turuk and goody but i don't know if they provide streams.
Does anyone know some other player? I'am looking primary for players which plays at the "highest" level (which participate big tournaments like MLG, NASL, GSL but also some not so known player which plays maybe in the Team League) but also for people like Lynna, avilo, Bonkers (greetz to them you do a fantastic job guys)
I want to create a list of the mech player of all MU... because then it's way easy in the future find mech replays.. 
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Illusion mechs in TvP sometimes. Last shadow mechs a lot. MajOr mechs ALL the time TvT/TvZ as far I as remember.
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Nobody good goes mech in TvP, at least not seriously, since it's just suicide. I personally do it, but only because my computer is too bad for me to go bio. Just trust me, stay away from mech TvP unless you want to be frustrated to no end. 2base mech all-ins are alright, but macro mech is just handing the win to your opponent (if he's smart), with rare exceptions depending on map.
Polt has an excellent TvZ mech, which I highly recommend. Rainbow does some nice mech all-ins. ForGG does some good mech all-ins as well.
Mech in TvT is really common, so you can watch any good Terran to see it. I suppose Goody is the classic example, but he opens up too gimmicky for my taste most of the time.
If you don't mind watching "lesser" players, Avilo (NA Terran) plays mech a lot in TvT and TvZ, very macro-oriented and passive.
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On May 14 2012 01:19 Starshaped wrote:
Nobody good goes mech in TvP, at least not seriously, since it's just suicide. I personally do it, but only because my computer is too bad for me to go bio. Just trust me, stay away from mech TvP unless you want to be frustrated to no end. 2base mech all-ins are alright, but macro mech is just handing the win to your opponent (if he's smart), with rare exceptions depending on map.
Polt has an excellent TvZ mech, which I highly recommend. Rainbow does some nice mech all-ins. ForGG does some good mech all-ins as well.
Mech in TvT is really common, so you can watch any good Terran to see it. I suppose Goody is the classic example, but he opens up too gimmicky for my taste most of the time.
If you don't mind watching "lesser" players, Avilo (NA Terran) plays mech a lot in TvT and TvZ, very macro-oriented and passive.
i am plat and i win against master players fairly easy at the moment. if you play mech right there is no way to loose it.. you can only loose if you do terrible mistakes -> If you play a nearly perfect game and its 100% a win. In TvP you can hold all hard all-ins which can the protoss execute really easy. But Mech in TvT and TvZ is way easier in my opinion because you don't need your whole army to defend attacks but in TvP you need every tank in the right place.
I never saw Polt played Mech in TvZ only Tank+Bio :/
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I been thinking to starting to use tanks at TvP to play greedy, I feel like bunkers and few tanks would totally scare off the protoss 2 base all ins and would allow you to get fast third and then transition out of tanks into basic MMMVG.
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On May 14 2012 03:08 Roynalf wrote:
I been thinking to starting to use tanks at TvP to play greedy, I feel like bunkers and few tanks would totally scare off the protoss 2 base all ins and would allow you to get fast third and then transition out of tanks into basic MMMVG.
It can be good. Don't make more than 3 or 4 tanks tho.
I think oGs Terran do this sometimes.
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So i dont know what to do anymore. I play a 2 rax proxy all in and win a lot. Im a top 8 gold terran. but that build does not EVER get me into platinum. They hold it off very well. I want to get back to standardd play. I have played a 1-1-1 all in one base style before that worked really well. but i really would like to play a standard style. like a 1 rax fe but i dont even know who to study, what dailies to watch. I suppose id really like some replays to watch or some advice as who to study. Any advice, replays, dailies, links, etc...would be appreciated.
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On May 14 2012 04:08 ImANinjaBich wrote:
So i dont know what to do anymore. I play a 2 rax proxy all in and win a lot. Im a top 8 gold terran. but that build does not EVER get me into platinum. They hold it off very well. I want to get back to standardd play. I have played a 1-1-1 all in one base style before that worked really well. but i really would like to play a standard style. like a 1 rax fe but i dont even know who to study, what dailies to watch. I suppose id really like some replays to watch or some advice as who to study. Any advice, replays, dailies, links, etc...would be appreciated.
Here's the tread for you:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330787
Probably the best guide I've ever seen.
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On May 14 2012 02:03 saaaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:19 Starshaped wrote:
Nobody good goes mech in TvP, at least not seriously, since it's just suicide. I personally do it, but only because my computer is too bad for me to go bio. Just trust me, stay away from mech TvP unless you want to be frustrated to no end. 2base mech all-ins are alright, but macro mech is just handing the win to your opponent (if he's smart), with rare exceptions depending on map.
Polt has an excellent TvZ mech, which I highly recommend. Rainbow does some nice mech all-ins. ForGG does some good mech all-ins as well.
Mech in TvT is really common, so you can watch any good Terran to see it. I suppose Goody is the classic example, but he opens up too gimmicky for my taste most of the time.
If you don't mind watching "lesser" players, Avilo (NA Terran) plays mech a lot in TvT and TvZ, very macro-oriented and passive. i am plat and i win against master players fairly easy at the moment. if you play mech right there is no way to loose it.. you can only loose if you do terrible mistakes -> If you play a nearly perfect game and its 100% a win. In TvP you can hold all hard all-ins which can the protoss execute really easy. But Mech in TvT and TvZ is way easier in my opinion because you don't need your whole army to defend attacks but in TvP you need every tank in the right place. I never saw Polt played Mech in TvZ only Tank+Bio :/
It's the exact opposite. It doesn't matter how well you play mech vs Protoss, it will always come down to whether or not your opponent makes big mistakes or doesn't know what to do. Protoss won't usually all-in against mech, but if they feel like it they can just go blinkstalker/collo and destroy you since you cannot possibly deal with that kind of mobility (though there are a few maps where it's easier to defend).
The biggest problem with mech against Protoss, besides the immobility, is that you can almost never trade armies effectively. Protoss can literally a-move into your sieged position and trade fairly well.
Bottom line is that if you won with macro mech against Protoss, it was because your opponent let you.
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On May 14 2012 04:36 Starshaped wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:03 saaaa wrote:On May 14 2012 01:19 Starshaped wrote:
Nobody good goes mech in TvP, at least not seriously, since it's just suicide. I personally do it, but only because my computer is too bad for me to go bio. Just trust me, stay away from mech TvP unless you want to be frustrated to no end. 2base mech all-ins are alright, but macro mech is just handing the win to your opponent (if he's smart), with rare exceptions depending on map.
Polt has an excellent TvZ mech, which I highly recommend. Rainbow does some nice mech all-ins. ForGG does some good mech all-ins as well.
Mech in TvT is really common, so you can watch any good Terran to see it. I suppose Goody is the classic example, but he opens up too gimmicky for my taste most of the time.
If you don't mind watching "lesser" players, Avilo (NA Terran) plays mech a lot in TvT and TvZ, very macro-oriented and passive. i am plat and i win against master players fairly easy at the moment. if you play mech right there is no way to loose it.. you can only loose if you do terrible mistakes -> If you play a nearly perfect game and its 100% a win. In TvP you can hold all hard all-ins which can the protoss execute really easy. But Mech in TvT and TvZ is way easier in my opinion because you don't need your whole army to defend attacks but in TvP you need every tank in the right place. I never saw Polt played Mech in TvZ only Tank+Bio :/ It's the exact opposite. It doesn't matter how well you play mech vs Protoss, it will always come down to whether or not your opponent makes big mistakes or doesn't know what to do. Protoss won't usually all-in against mech, but if they feel like it they can just go blinkstalker/collo and destroy you since you cannot possibly deal with that kind of mobility (though there are a few maps where it's easier to defend). The biggest problem with mech against Protoss, besides the immobility, is that you can almost never trade armies effectively. Protoss can literally a-move into your sieged position and trade fairly well. Bottom line is that if you won with macro mech against Protoss, it was because your opponent let you.
you should watch this thread with his replays inside and you will have another opionion. I include in "mech" also BC, Banshee and Ravens... and a mix out of Tanks, Hellion, Thors, BC, Raven, Banshees is mindblowing believe me.
here ist the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323003
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On May 14 2012 01:09 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Illusion mechs in TvP sometimes. Last shadow mechs a lot. MajOr mechs ALL the time TvT/TvZ as far I as remember.
On stream MajOr goes biomech quite often.
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How are you all fairing in TvZ now after the Queen changes? I for one can't win for the life of me now(already was my worst matchup now it is just horrible). I've been unable to deny the creep spread with the standard 4-6 hellions and it eventually just gets spread up super close to my main extremely fast. The Zergs I have played are now getting super greedy and there isn't much I can do about it(fast lair to deny cloakshees, fast third, etc..). How are you all opening and dealing with the creep?
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On May 14 2012 05:05 saaaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 04:36 Starshaped wrote:On May 14 2012 02:03 saaaa wrote:On May 14 2012 01:19 Starshaped wrote:
Nobody good goes mech in TvP, at least not seriously, since it's just suicide. I personally do it, but only because my computer is too bad for me to go bio. Just trust me, stay away from mech TvP unless you want to be frustrated to no end. 2base mech all-ins are alright, but macro mech is just handing the win to your opponent (if he's smart), with rare exceptions depending on map.
Polt has an excellent TvZ mech, which I highly recommend. Rainbow does some nice mech all-ins. ForGG does some good mech all-ins as well.
Mech in TvT is really common, so you can watch any good Terran to see it. I suppose Goody is the classic example, but he opens up too gimmicky for my taste most of the time.
If you don't mind watching "lesser" players, Avilo (NA Terran) plays mech a lot in TvT and TvZ, very macro-oriented and passive. i am plat and i win against master players fairly easy at the moment. if you play mech right there is no way to loose it.. you can only loose if you do terrible mistakes -> If you play a nearly perfect game and its 100% a win. In TvP you can hold all hard all-ins which can the protoss execute really easy. But Mech in TvT and TvZ is way easier in my opinion because you don't need your whole army to defend attacks but in TvP you need every tank in the right place. I never saw Polt played Mech in TvZ only Tank+Bio :/ It's the exact opposite. It doesn't matter how well you play mech vs Protoss, it will always come down to whether or not your opponent makes big mistakes or doesn't know what to do. Protoss won't usually all-in against mech, but if they feel like it they can just go blinkstalker/collo and destroy you since you cannot possibly deal with that kind of mobility (though there are a few maps where it's easier to defend). The biggest problem with mech against Protoss, besides the immobility, is that you can almost never trade armies effectively. Protoss can literally a-move into your sieged position and trade fairly well. Bottom line is that if you won with macro mech against Protoss, it was because your opponent let you. you should watch this thread with his replays inside and you will have another opionion. I include in "mech" also BC, Banshee and Ravens... and a mix out of Tanks, Hellion, Thors, BC, Raven, Banshees is mindblowing believe me. here ist the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323003
I've played mech TvP at high master level for a very long time, I know what I'm talking about. There is simply no case to be made for lategame mech TvP. You can play it, and you can win with it, I even think TvP is my best win% overall, but it doesn't matter. You rely too much on gimmicks and on your opponent being bad. Against a player who knows what to do against mech (and trust me, there are about 500 valid responses) you simply will not win. Of course, there are some maps where it's alright, but for the most part you'll be playing with a big disadvantage if you go mech in TvP.
Also, if you're going to go mech, always go ghost-mech. Don't do the no-ghost stuff this guy is writing about, lol.
I know mech can feel really strong when you get these really one-sided wins, but you must understand that it's only because your opponent doesn't know what he's doing >_>
Play mech if you want, but don't for a second think it's strong or solid in TvP. I've learned that the hard way.
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Hey guys!
I'm trying to find new builds to play againts zergs because I feel that they are almost dead and don't serve as many uses as before.
MorroW said that the hellions served a lot of purpose but they are useful for the few purpose they have left. That is true. But I want a build that works very good at the very new state of the game.
I was wondering about the pros/cons of a good 1 rax FE into 1-1-1 marine-hellion elevator push?
If anyone could help me out on this!
Thanks!
SgtJoKeR
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On May 13 2012 22:35 Tartiflette wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 21:01 saaaa wrote:
i need some mech-players in all match ups in my stream list.. any suggestions? Beastyqt and rainbow plays mech a lot against z ,so des Turuk and goody but i don't know if they provide streams.
Demuslim plays mech vs. Toss and Terran sometimes. He also does it by request in chat.
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On May 14 2012 05:31 Stress wrote:
How are you all fairing in TvZ now after the Queen changes? I for one can't win for the life of me now(already was my worst matchup now it is just horrible). I've been unable to deny the creep spread with the standard 4-6 hellions and it eventually just gets spread up super close to my main extremely fast. The Zergs I have played are now getting super greedy and there isn't much I can do about it(fast lair to deny cloakshees, fast third, etc..). How are you all opening and dealing with the creep?
Hasn't changed my win rate at all. Unless the queens are guarding the creep all the way, it's unlikely that it's the queen range that is affecting your win rate. even if it's the case, you can bring a couple of units and just kill off a queen if it's like half way across the map speading creep; that's not OP in the slightest. If creep spread is bothering you that much, make your pressure pushes earlier.
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