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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
I am having some problems with timings in tvp. I usually do a gasless expand into 3 rax with fast dropships or a 4 rax on addon power build.... Does anyone have a good timing to move out... cuz i usually get ahead with my expand early on but then just get overrun by toss because I loose my army due to a horrbile attack. Thanks! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
when I play standard, I go with the fast dropships, and assuming he's still on 2 base, I use drops to scout/harass him and assert map control for my 3rd base. I don't try to really fight him unless I get A) a huge advantage via drops or a failed attack on his part or B) a large number of ghosts and solid upgrades so I feel confident attacking into defender's advantage, or of course being maxed. Basically, when going for fast dropships, assert map control, harass, and try to take your 4th base before he can take his, and hit him with a maxed reinforcing army that's heavy on ghosts and units that counter his units. That being said, it's possible my advice isn't specifically helpful for you-- if you provide a replay we can do better. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On January 04 2012 05:59 TAAF wrote: Hi everyone! I am having some problems with timings in tvp. I usually do a gasless expand into 3 rax with fast dropships or a 4 rax on addon power build.... Does anyone have a good timing to move out... cuz i usually get ahead with my expand early on but then just get overrun by toss because I loose my army due to a horrbile attack. Thanks! i always scout and drop once i finish stim, concussive shells, combat shields, and +1 (mind you, i get+1 a lot earlier than other players, i cut army production). its just a small poke to see what kind of tech he's going for, and to see if i can snipe a pylon or some probes. this will keep the protoss back in their base while you can build a good army to counter the tech you scouted. the next timing, is either 3rd base, ghosts, or +2 depending on different scenarios. | ||
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hersenen
Belize176 Posts
What do you do with all the extra minerals in TvX? Normally I'm floating quite a bit in most matchups but when you already have the technical max amount of supported buildings per base what do you spend the excess stuff on? I see MajOr spend it on mass orbital commands but I see QXC spend it on more production buildings??? What are the pros and cons of both? Which is better? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On January 04 2012 17:41 hersenen wrote: Sorry this has probably already been asked but I searched and couldn't find it: What do you do with all the extra minerals in TvX? Normally I'm floating quite a bit in most matchups but when you already have the technical max amount of supported buildings per base what do you spend the excess stuff on? I see MajOr spend it on mass orbital commands but I see QXC spend it on more production buildings??? What are the pros and cons of both? Which is better? If it's a lategame situation where the map has been split, you're going to want a true 200/200 army so getting the OC's make sense, otherwise you're going to want to reinforce a lot faster with the extra barracks. I'm assuming you're talking about 200 vs 200 army situations. It could be that you're not hitting your supply depots, or have enough production. Either way, you're going to want to make more units to make up for it so getting the barracks makes more sense. | ||
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
On January 04 2012 17:41 hersenen wrote: Sorry this has probably already been asked but I searched and couldn't find it: What do you do with all the extra minerals in TvX? Normally I'm floating quite a bit in most matchups but when you already have the technical max amount of supported buildings per base what do you spend the excess stuff on? I see MajOr spend it on mass orbital commands but I see QXC spend it on more production buildings??? What are the pros and cons of both? Which is better? I would do both mass Orbital and let almost all of you scvs die and just mine mins with mules. Plus more production just don't over do it and don't do it to early or you might be in danger of suddenly having no money and you get attacked and should rebuild your army. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
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ArkSC
128 Posts
1.MUTALISK harassment =*( 2. Drops 3.Banelings. As far as muta's go, it kills my quite a bit, they end up picking off quite a few scv's even when i have up a couple of turrets. I usually go marine tank in TvZ, so i wont really have thors, Once i stim my marines and head to my mineral line to stop the mutas, they either go to my natural, or start picking off my sieged up tanks. Drops, I hate, because i usually have a heavy siege tank play, so it takes me awhile to react. I also hate the elevator trick, where their tanks are on the low ground in the case of terran. For banelings, even with tanks it feel like my opponent makes so many banes that they rip through marines, thors and tanks. Any tips to beating all of these things? Also, if someone could reccomend a good tvt build, i currently do a banshee opening into marine tank viking. Tvp i do 2 rax, if they don't expo, pull back and expo myself. And tvz, i got reactor helions, expand, and then go marine tank. if anyone has a better build for any of these it'd be great =D | ||
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hersenen
Belize176 Posts
On January 05 2012 12:22 KenDM wrote: Damn it how did I lose this one? I anticipated on everything :S http://drop.sc/84957 Wow you outplayed that Protoss in every way. I'm surprised you lost tbh. You lost all the big engagements and that cost you the game. Those DTs did way more damage than they should have in that first big engagement, did you not notice them or something? You should target colossus down one by one with your vikings, and stutter step your ground army away from zealots. A-move protoss vs A-move terran results in protoss win, and in your case even if you have way better macro. There was some over-saturation on your bases and you could have mass expanded with all those minerals at the end, but I'm not going to sit here and say "macro better" because you probably already know those things you could have done better. | ||
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
On January 05 2012 13:32 Overlord17 wrote: Hey guys. I'm a gold level terran, who's been switching a bit from terran (my original race) to protoss. My biggest problem's with terran are: 1.MUTALISK harassment =*( 2. Drops 3.Banelings. As far as muta's go, it kills my quite a bit, they end up picking off quite a few scv's even when i have up a couple of turrets. I usually go marine tank in TvZ, so i wont really have thors, Once i stim my marines and head to my mineral line to stop the mutas, they either go to my natural, or start picking off my sieged up tanks. Drops, I hate, because i usually have a heavy siege tank play, so it takes me awhile to react. I also hate the elevator trick, where their tanks are on the low ground in the case of terran. For banelings, even with tanks it feel like my opponent makes so many banes that they rip through marines, thors and tanks. Any tips to beating all of these things? Also, if someone could reccomend a good tvt build, i currently do a banshee opening into marine tank viking. Tvp i do 2 rax, if they don't expo, pull back and expo myself. And tvz, i got reactor helions, expand, and then go marine tank. if anyone has a better build for any of these it'd be great =D 1. Muta harass: You have to build some thors with your Tank marine force. And never stim all of your marines at once to stop muta harass just run back a few and leave the rest by the tanks. 2. Drops: If you are really tank heavy I would just start making turret rings... You will see it in every game a pro player goes mech (in your case a lot of tanks) 3. Banelings: Siege all your tanks and split your marines before the fight a bit. And in the fight stim your marines and maybe run a few back if you can. Most importantly, focus fire the banes with your tanks! TvT build I would recommend is 1 rax fe. I take my two gases really early and then go mech with it. I would grind out some games with mech to figure it out. TvZ hellion expand is awesome and TvP I can't really give you advice on that... (I do a 1 rax fe almost every game) | ||
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SirHyoon
Australia46 Posts
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
On January 05 2012 18:14 SirHyoon wrote: SEA, diamond terran here, In TvZ i play hellion expand but after i drop my CC i add 2 more raxes and start a fast stim + marines pumping from the two barracks and the 1 techlab rax i pump a few marauders. It seems to be killing alot of zergs who overdrone and just rely on 2-3 spine crawlers for defense. Just wondering if i dont kill them in the first push or it fails, what would be the best transition. everytime i look at the score at the end, it seems they always have more drones, so i was thinking if i was to fail the push, i would be really far behind, dont know what to do :\, help? Think of it like that: If they hold your push they did not overdrone and you are just slightly behind. If they overdrone the game is over or you at least did a lot of damage. Maybe you don't want to push all the way if you see a lot of defense and get a faster third instead. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
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xTrim
472 Posts
I've been struggling a lot lately in TvP.... In my opinion TvP is completely broken due to the simple argument: There is nothing terran can do (apart from the 1-1-1) that requires proper response from Protoss... Terran has no tech switch from/to that makes the Toss' tremble, something like "shit he made X units... i'd better make Y orelse I lose big time..." and because of that Toss' can (and will) play the way the want.. However, I can point 3 switched that Terrans have to respond accordingly or they will just lose the game: - Oh he made Colos... make vikings... if not enough - gg - Oh he made Temps... make ghosts... if not enough - gg - Oh he is pure zea archon.... mass mraines with few marauders... too many marauders - gg .... Then everyone says, drop the Protoss, keep it busy, etc etc.... Think for a second: you have one medivac with 2 marauders and 4 marines... Protoss is caught out of position and say, screw this I'm hitting terran right now! - So you are down 1 medivac in your "head on battle" while he has his full army with equal supply (provided both are the same level, macroing equally).... As in order to beat chargelot colo templar you NEED micro, therefore you are down 1 medivac with 4 marines and 2 marauders that are dropping.... Also, while you micro your slightly weaker main army, you are not microing your small drop which is getting wasted by 5 zealots that were warped a little bit to the side... TLDR: i need help with bio.... i'm fed up with it, I personally think it's ridiculously hard to beat a toss and I need help.... I could provide infinite replays of me going bio, but they are all the same: gasless exp into bio medivacs into not enough counters to tech switches into lose. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
I think it was because the enemy had a 3rd base before I did. I tried to sneak in an extra expo, but it was too late, I was ROFL stomped  Even if you watch my previous replay, you can see that I have a lot of trouble with my micro, because I tend to lead in macro against protosses a lot of the time (seeing as we have the same bases but I max out armies before the enemy).http://drop.sc/85079 A lot of people are having trouble in TvP. I once heard someone say that TvP maxed out armies a-moving into each other would always make the protoss army win. Then how can I get the upper hand? Am I missing something important? I need help, I'm in desperate need of advise because as it is now, I fear every protoss player and almost NEVER win. It's probably the only thing keeping me in Silver I guess (I occasionally beat Gold Zergs and Terrans). | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 05 2012 23:22 xTrim wrote: Guys.... I've been struggling a lot lately in TvP.... In my opinion TvP is completely broken due to the simple argument: There is nothing terran can do (apart from the 1-1-1) that requires proper response from Protoss... Terran has no tech switch from/to that makes the Toss' tremble, something like "shit he made X units... i'd better make Y orelse I lose big time..." and because of that Toss' can (and will) play the way the want.. However, I can point 3 switched that Terrans have to respond accordingly or they will just lose the game: - Oh he made Colos... make vikings... if not enough - gg - Oh he made Temps... make ghosts... if not enough - gg - Oh he is pure zea archon.... mass mraines with few marauders... too many marauders - gg .... Then everyone says, drop the Protoss, keep it busy, etc etc.... Think for a second: you have one medivac with 2 marauders and 4 marines... Protoss is caught out of position and say, screw this I'm hitting terran right now! - So you are down 1 medivac in your "head on battle" while he has his full army with equal supply (provided both are the same level, macroing equally).... As in order to beat chargelot colo templar you NEED micro, therefore you are down 1 medivac with 4 marines and 2 marauders that are dropping.... Also, while you micro your slightly weaker main army, you are not microing your small drop which is getting wasted by 5 zealots that were warped a little bit to the side... TLDR: i need help with bio.... i'm fed up with it, I personally think it's ridiculously hard to beat a toss and I need help.... I could provide infinite replays of me going bio, but they are all the same: gasless exp into bio medivacs into not enough counters to tech switches into lose. Not sure whether you are here to complain or to ask for help. If it's the latter, provide replays (and give your league, by the way). | ||
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xTrim
472 Posts
On January 06 2012 00:30 TheDwf wrote: Not sure whether you are here to complain or to ask for help. If it's the latter, provide replays (and give your league, by the way). I am mid-master terran.. http://drop.sc/79686 is a good example... Also, i've been 1-1-1'ing a lot cauz bio is indeed making me sick. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
On January 06 2012 02:37 Willzzz wrote: The main thing I would say is at 14 minutes kill something important. If you have problems with colossi kill the damn robo bay. Otherwise the forges would be an excellent option. Like with drops? | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
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