EPTEven if I was able to put pressure on him he could just warp in enough to deal with it. And if I started transporting my units to the low ground he would know because he had observers. I didn't really want to get colossi just to break the ramp because of his immortals. Any advice how to deal with this?
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
Even if I was able to put pressure on him he could just warp in enough to deal with it. And if I started transporting my units to the low ground he would know because he had observers. I didn't really want to get colossi just to break the ramp because of his immortals. Any advice how to deal with this? | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:25 AirbladeOrange wrote: I just played a PvP where we both went 3 gate robo. He got a few sentries and immortals and kept me in my base by camping my ramp and forcefielding it. He expanded and I went for blink but his army was still better than mine because I couldn't get my zealots or immortals down from the ramp. By the time I went for warp prism his natural was booming and he got colossi out. Even if I was able to put pressure on him he could just warp in enough to deal with it. And if I started transporting my units to the low ground he would know because he had observers. I didn't really want to get colossi just to break the ramp because of his immortals. Any advice how to deal with this? well if you both went 3 gate robo you probably want to expand asap (you always want to be the defender in PvP) so he should have caught you at your nat instead of your main. Anyways I think that if you go robo/blink you can get 2 inmortals and a warp prism (you shouldn't be getting more than 2-3 zealots anyways) and you can get your two inmortals out with the warp prism and offensively blink to his army (since he should have a smaller army if he is both expanding and teching to collosus, which your observer should have spotted) making you destroy his army easily, then u walk to his nat and kill him. EDIT: Oh and happy birthday ^^ | ||
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Selendis
Australia509 Posts
In particular how do you micro against a mirror 3gate robo match without collosi? | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:58 Selendis wrote: I apologize if this has already been asked, but against another protoss, what is the optimal way to micro out on the open (ie not on a choke) ? In particular how do you micro against a mirror 3gate robo match without collosi? Depends on the compositions, spread your army as much as possible, try to surround or flank him, make sure inmortals focus fire armored stuff, try to make zealots get ride of his inmortals, pull back archons with low shields?, blink stalkers to focus fire archons/inmortals, basically watch a pro replay (as in MC, Huk, Sase, Hero, people that are really really good), see how they micro, then copy it. | ||
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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:58 Selendis wrote: I apologize if this has already been asked, but against another protoss, what is the optimal way to micro out on the open (ie not on a choke) ? In particular how do you micro against a mirror 3gate robo match without collosi? Make sure you spread your units so your zealots won't get clumped, stuck, etc and use forcefield to cut off his zealots from his range units. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:37 ProxyKnoxy wrote: How do you deal with mass broodlords late game? I always find myself getting caught with 4+ collo vs a billion broodlords. You need to add void rays and/or templars to your collosus/blink stalker ball, then you storm the brood lords, let the collosus get ride of those brood lings/roaches/lings while you focus fire the brood lords with voids and blink stalkers (make sure while all that is happening that you are warping in more reinforcements from a nearby pylon). EDIT: Maybe the reason you are loosing isn't because of your composition but you are just getting outmacroed by the zerg player, post a replay  . | ||
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
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monk
United States8476 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:37 ProxyKnoxy wrote: How do you deal with mass broodlords late game? I always find myself getting caught with 4+ collo vs a billion broodlords. To be honest, the only cost effective way to deal with 10+ broods with good roach/infestor support is with either a mothership or carriers plus archon/templar support along with your standard stalker/colossi. Or if it's a big map, base trade. | ||
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:11 NrGmonk wrote: To be honest, the only cost effective way to deal with 10+ broods with good roach/infestor support is with either a mothership or carriers plus archon/templar support along with your standard stalker/colossi. Or if it's a big map, base trade. Are you sure about that? I think a good deathball can deal with it. | ||
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monk
United States8476 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:12 Latedi wrote: Are you sure about that? I think a good deathball can deal with it. Yea ^^. | ||
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
But if you have a few voidrays to deal with the brood lords and enough HTs to feedback the infestors. Can't you take out the infestors, pull back with everything but the voidrays and then kill off the roaches with whatever army you have? | ||
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monk
United States8476 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:23 Latedi wrote: But if you have a few voidrays to deal with the brood lords and enough HTs to feedback the infestors. Can't you take out the infestors, pull back with everything but the voidrays and then kill off the roaches with whatever army you have? Have you ever tried to feedback 10+ infestors while 10+ broods are shooting at you? o_O | ||
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FruitsPunchSamurai
United Kingdom87 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:32 Darkness2k11 wrote: PvZ: Blink Stalker/Collosus/sentries left from the early game PvT: Chargelot/Collosus/Blink Stalker/sentries left from the early game PvP: Collosus/1-2 inmortals/gateway units for PvT 1 Gate Expand I recommend This build, it is Huk's 20 nexus expand, it gets 3 gates, a nexus, and warp gate tech finishes at the same time it would for a 4 gate, its a really good build ^^ and you can put pressure on greedy opponents with it (or even win the game right away). Didn't this build fall out of fashion a month or so ago because of something? Doesn't he now use a two gas 1 gate FE? Thanks for the advice though. | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
On October 24 2011 02:03 ThatGuy101 wrote: Didn't this build fall out of fashion a month or so ago because of something? Doesn't he now use a two gas 1 gate FE? Thanks for the advice though. This build is still pretty good, its only slightly weak to bunker rushes but you can still pull it off with some decent micro (and you can win the game with your first warp-in vs an FE most of the times ^^) | ||
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:33 NrGmonk wrote: Have you ever tried to feedback 10+ infestors while 10+ broods are shooting at you? o_O Yes. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I don't have it down to science yet but I believe it is possible to defeat a zerg deatball in combat. | ||
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Shaok
297 Posts
On October 24 2011 02:36 Latedi wrote: Yes. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I don't have it down to science yet but I believe it is possible to defeat a zerg deatball in combat. Its not possible to a-move into a mass brood army. | ||
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
On October 24 2011 02:41 TheOne85 wrote: Its not possible to a-move into a mass brood army. Err yeah I guess so? | ||
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To3-Knee
Canada100 Posts
On October 24 2011 02:41 TheOne85 wrote: Its not possible to a-move into a mass brood army. For you to beat that, a protoss really needs a larger stockpile of resources than the zerg to instantly re-warp back to 200 pop of stalkers to finish off the rest. Basically, against that composition, you need to avoid the broodlords and infestors and harass their economy. Once you've done sufficient damage, you can comfortably engage in non-efficient engagements and still win. | ||
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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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