The Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 87

On October 17 2011 13:03 Anihc wrote:


No one gets storm in PvP. Don't theorycraft.

On October 18 2011 13:26 prinzpeter wrote:
i often face a 3rax fast expansion ( cc built inside of the base). even though im going for a gate robo gate build, my observer obviously comes out to late to scout it in time and arrives at the terran base, when the orbial command is about to fly to the natural or is alredy running. i'm ahead in tech but doing an immortal or colossus timing attack does not work imo, if the terran builds enough bunkers. if scoutet, he can also lift the orbital up and turtle in his base, while having an economical advantage anyway through the mules. counter expanding is probably even worse, because i will get steamrolled by masses of marines / marauders with stim before i catch up in income. so am i just playing wrong or is there any other way to counter such a fast expansion?

On October 18 2011 13:26 prinzpeter wrote:
i've also been playing against terrans with mech unit compositions of hellions, thors and tanks. the standard protoss unit composition ( zealot, colossi, some sentries and stalkers) is countered by that and is wothout any change if both armies reach 200 supply. So is the best way to counter such a strategy with the typical ,,abuse immobility'' style ( warp-prism harass, counter attacks etc.) or any specific unit composition different from zealot / stalker / colossi? i thought about going air myself ( voids / carriers) but this seems to be weak against mid game attacks with one or two thors or something, while i do not have my techswitch finished.

On October 18 2011 13:17 Jaeger wrote:
How are people dealing with the early pressure from TheSTC style 2rax expand when going zealot stalker stalker 30 nexus?

I think it goes:
rax
marine
techlab
rax
reaper
concussive
maruader

I think it requires you to do a zealot probe poke before the zealot stalker poke and if you see only 1 marine keep your 2nd stalker in your main for the reaper.

When the maruader comes out he'll have shells but I think you'll have a zealot stalker probe vs 2 marine and a maruader which you can probably win.

But if it becomes common to engage then they might keep the reaper back and they'll surely win that fight so maybe it's best to just turn around before the marauder comes out?

On October 18 2011 14:06 Jaeger wrote:


For the most part the current trend is to open 1gate expand against terran, using varying levels of greediness depending on what you scout to stay even or ahead. But generally you'll be fine with a 1gate core fe and you can worry about the greed when you start losing in macro games when you're not making obvious mistakes.

These are a little dated now but still basically correct.

MC vs Puma IEM Cologne Game 1 [vod][replay]
MC vs Ryung GSTL Game 6 [vod]



If you haven't played in 6 months you should be loving the newly buffed immortal (6 range now). I don't see it too often but generally I try to stick around chargelot immortal storm and stay at least one base ahead in expansions while trading armies inefficiently to prevent or delay that 200 supply mech army for as long as possible using pylon walls and cannons to block hellion raids on expansions. I'm not sure that there is a clear best style against mech at the moment, it just isn't explored enough at the highest levels yet as far as i know.

At least for now you probably just need to find something you like and refine it against mech. Others might have better advice

On October 13 2011 23:51 QTIP. wrote:


One goes to his base to scout the unit composition as well as time he moves out - and the other observer stays at home to defend against cloaked banshee. You should be able to deny excessive banshee harass with a single Observer at home. Just make sure you split your stalkers/sentries, so you will always have something to shoot it as soon as it is visible.

On October 18 2011 23:35 Darkness2k11 wrote:


Okay so I'm watching the replays, in the first one (l13 mins in Shattered temple) you get supply blocked and stop probe production A LOT, and thats only in the first 6 minutes of the game, your first void ray is really late, and he is ahead by 10 workers or so, you saved up to almost 90 chrono boost energy before warp gate was done which I think isn't the best way to spend it, it seems to me that your biggest problem was executing the build and the lack of a transition (you need collosus, storm and/or archons to deal with lings/blings).

In the 2nd rep (18 mins) you went 3 gate sentry, expoed, then decided that you wanted to push with 4 gates but then didn't push in at all, you could have done a lot of damage with that push, you forced a lot of crawlers and he stopped making drones for a while. by the 14 minute mark he has 60 workers vs your 40, your chrono boost energy gets way too high. Your robo was really late and you still don't have collosus or any upgrade.

3rd rep (20 mins), you go stargate, cancel it, go robo instead, forget upgrades, loose lots of probes and miss micro in the engagement.

Basically, you have to work on pressing the E and the C keys more often (or w/e hotkey you use for making probes and chrono), you stop making probes all the time, and that makes your eco worse which makes your army smaller which turns into you loosing the game. You also forget chrono boosts way too often, it can make your collosus pop up twice as fast or making an upgrade reasearch last half the time it should so do not forget to use it!.

Then, you have to work on refining your build, getting your tech up earlier, start getting more upgrades earlier and faster, placing your army properly, making better walls and having better map awareness and a couple of cannons per mineral line so you don't get wrecked by baneling bombs and having good transitions.

Hope this helped ^^

On October 19 2011 17:08 Icky wrote:My main problem is that I really don't have stable army compositions against the other races.

On October 19 2011 17:08 Icky wrote:
I just started up playing again after a really long time away from the game. I'm Bronze, Protoss, and doing okay. My main problem is that I really don't have stable army compositions against the other races. I always just open 3gate expo into +1 6/gate push at around 11 mins with a mainly stalker army.

On October 19 2011 17:27 Icky wrote:


This, it just didn't have a question mark.

On October 19 2011 17:36 mk.reptile wrote:
Hi, what is the Counter for Mass Collosi (4-5) in PvP, when both players are on 1 Base? I feel like immortals dont do so well, because good forcefields put them out of position.

On October 19 2011 16:39 leperphilliac wrote:
I'm on 4 base, zerg's on 5-6, I have templar/stalker composition with a huge gateway count and then he goes infestor/broodlord. What do I do? Carriers? Nothing standard seems to work when I throw stuff at them... it's up to the point where I never try and go more than 15 minutes into a game against a zerg. Does anybody have any games where they beat this composition? Help would be greatly appreciated.