On July 15 2011 17:53 legend4411 wrote:
Good guide!
What if p has large amount of zealots? I don't think hellions are effective when engaging. Hellions just die so fast

No blue flame hellions are ridiculous against chargelots, they MELT and marines are good verse chargelots with good micro. Also, with proper siege tank target firing your marines/hellions won't get splashed on by chargelots.

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

July 21 2011 20:15 GMT

#343

Just did a 1h30 daily (in French) on this ^^ The viewers really loved it !

I'm reencoding it for VoD right now, I'll post the link once it's done

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

July 21 2011 23:01 GMT

#344

Here it is, just put it online !

It's in French, so... Maybe not that useful to all but still fun ^^

Azaryah

United States55 Posts

July 25 2011 03:55 GMT

#345

Warden! Just want to say this post has helped my TvP a hell of a lot. I'm still trying to remember what all the gas timings and buildings mean but so far I have improved greatly, and I like this more than MMM with Ghost + Viking.

Hds

France200 Posts

July 26 2011 02:03 GMT

#346

Thanks for this complete guide dude!

myriad110

Romania11 Posts

July 26 2011 03:22 GMT

#347

What would you have done on possibility #2 Rep #5 if he had transitioned from 1gate FE into 2 base all in (6 gate) ??

4Kings

United States40 Posts

July 26 2011 10:03 GMT

#348

On July 22 2011 05:15 mr_tolkien wrote:
Just did a 1h30 daily (in French) on this ^^ The viewers really loved it !

I'm reencoding it for VoD right now, I'll post the link once it's done

Very cool. I speak a little bit of French, so I watched a bit of it. Thanks so much for getting Warden's guide out to our international friends =). Well done.

Domino
4Kings

Vrtigo

Australia31 Posts

July 26 2011 12:03 GMT

#349

Hi Warden and thakyou for a very well written guide. Many people post various guides but I love the fact that you posted a guide that includes all of the branches (and more importantly, the reasoning behind the branches) of your 1-1-1 opening.

This has vastly improved my TvP (albeit after a fair learning curve) and I have also found a lot of use for it in RT 2v2 as well. It is just a solid, well rounded unit composition with great versatility.

Thanks again.
-Vrtigo

BigJoe

United States210 Posts

July 26 2011 16:54 GMT

#350

wow very nice guide, ive been having some trouble against masters and am excited to try this out.

it also gives very nice details on how to scout protoss so you know what to expect from them. you can essentially use this knowledge and apply it to your own builds

thankz

BookerWoo

Canada21 Posts

July 27 2011 15:57 GMT

#351

I tried this build and got called a cheeser.. I guess pushing out with tank marine helions raven viking banshee with an expand is CLEARLY a cheese... rofl -.-

OSM.OneManArmy

United States509 Posts

July 27 2011 17:49 GMT

#352

Just a really quick question, if in my engagement i lose my raven do i just throw a 2nd starport down with tech lab and re-build it?

Hds

France200 Posts

July 27 2011 22:47 GMT

#353

Switch you starport with a techlab is quite enough imo, don't need that much

Crytch

Germany135 Posts

July 27 2011 23:08 GMT

#354

in mid-late/lategame i would build another starport to have one with techlab and one with reactor, just to be able to nonstop produce vikings AND raven. If your raven is alive you still can build some banshees which also fits in this build.
But in early-/midgame i would switch as Hds said.

JanLui

France50 Posts

July 28 2011 00:36 GMT

#355

TY very much Warden <3 I follow this thread since the beginning and I must say that I've got great success with it at my modest silver level. I promoted also for my protoss friends

Mr Tolkien my french Bro rox also but you Tolki should invite a terran specialist with you, zerg master but you are not thinking as terran

<3)

dk999

Malaysia26 Posts

July 28 2011 00:52 GMT

#356

This is a good guide for seeing protoss BO and respond accordingly, this build is reactionary to what the toss is doing.
But I'm having trouble placing tanks into the build. Tanks help greatly in defending your natural.but when it comes to the push the tanks seem to get overrun too quickly by all protoss anti tank units (zealots, archon, blinkstalker, immortals etc) and decent protoss would prevent you from having a strong siege position and attacking while unsieged.

I like adding ravens to the build as PDD helps immensely and deny obs and dt with thor being a reaction to protoss play. Maybe a build which goes the normal MMMGV with ravens mixed in instead of tanks?

Nemasyst.598

United States285 Posts

July 28 2011 15:58 GMT

#357

At first I was hesitant with going with this because chargelots rape everything if you have tanks, but then I saw how damn good it was hahahaha.
Great guide, thanks for posting! This is what Terran has needed for a long time.

TheGayliens

3 Posts

July 29 2011 08:48 GMT

#358

For the 3 gate sentry expo couldnt you go for the EEE HAN TIMING with thor all in since it stomps the forcefeilds then sentrys tickle the thor and it tanks everything while ur marines are doing dps

legend4411

Canada21 Posts

July 29 2011 10:38 GMT

#359

could you post more replays please? after watching all the replays I still have no ideas how to against blink stalker and charge zealots.

blinkblue

United States119 Posts

July 30 2011 19:38 GMT

#360

I was thinking about an alternate version of this build to substitute out the tanks. I see that warden researches siege before producing tanks in some of his games, then gets 1 single tank, then goes straight for blue flame hellions, and starts tank production back up later on. Even then, he only has a very small handful of tanks.

My idea is that instead of wasting the resources on siege mode for just a few tanks, you could fake going tanks by making ~2, maybe 3 of them without siege mode, and then use the extra resources to get some harder counters in (extra banshees to deal with the immortals, for example.)

This also allows your army to be more versatile AND require less micro, all added bonuses.

What do people think?