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buncool
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:40:40
June 18 2011 22:39 GMT
#201
Hey, a lot of your games are on shattered Temple. Can you post some matches on maps like Terminus RE or some bigger than Xelnaga / Shattered. I couldn't imagine to have a Death ball more powerfull than protoss usual DeathBall. Thank you for this guide !
When you're ahead, get more ahead !!
xTrim
Profile Joined April 2011
472 Posts
June 19 2011 01:25 GMT
#202
as I mentioned before? how does this fare vs carriers??? after all, we all know vikings wont cut it vs carriers... specially with one reactored port, going carriers with a zealot heavy army and maybe stalkers? or phoenixs?
WardenSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada210 Posts
June 19 2011 04:24 GMT
#203
Hey, a lot of your games are on shattered Temple. Can you post some matches on maps like Terminus RE or some bigger than Xelnaga / Shattered. I couldn't imagine to have a Death ball more powerfull than protoss usual DeathBall. Thank you for this guide !


I have not tried this strategy in big maps such as terminus re, and I would imagine it would not work nearly as well due to immobility of tanks.

as I mentioned before? how does this fare vs carriers??? after all, we all know vikings wont cut it vs carriers... specially with one reactored port, going carriers with a zealot heavy army and maybe stalkers? or phoenixs?


This build obviously would not work vs carriers. The key here would be to go for a timing push before he builds too many carriers. You can scout the tech he's going into by harassing/flying around using your banshees, I dont know where you got the idea that vikings won't cut it vs carriers. With sufficient move/attack micro of vikings you can fend off carriers.
PruneToss
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada87 Posts
June 19 2011 04:38 GMT
#204
I'm a zerg player, and when I offrace as T, vs P, i like to try to use a unit composition like this ^^ its really cool + fun to play with, and is very solid against all protoss styles. Great guide warden! Thanks for putting in the time to introduce many terran players to such a solid strategy!

Also, Gratz on joining 4Kings!
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
June 19 2011 04:39 GMT
#205
On June 18 2011 15:17 WardenSC wrote:
Show nested quote +

Can't you beat thor rush with DTs ?

You wouldn't be able to tech to DTs in time against thor all ins if you are 1 gate expoing.

Show nested quote +
How many tanks do you get with this build? In what manner do you use them? Offensively/defensively?

It would really depend on whether you are up against HT or colossus based army. Vs colossus army you would want more vikings and vs HT army you would want more tanks (and only 1 or 2 vking to provide sight for your army).

I also appreciate everyone helping out each other to perfect this build


You may take a bit of econ damage but if you delay it long enough you should be able to get the dts out.
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 06:16:06
June 19 2011 05:30 GMT
#206
So, I am about to try this, looks very very nice indeed.
1. My question is, is this viable vs Zerg? or maybe some tweaking....to adapt better to Zerg? Or it is just not viable vs them?

I'd like to see a Terran deathball vs Z

2. Why did you not always make a wall? sometimes you do, other times not?

3. Lastly, how do you decide when to make banshee or viking first? I saw your game where he had a void ray, and luckily you had vikings. So which to build first, viking / banshee?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
June 19 2011 05:59 GMT
#207
mmm is still what is strongest against toss. it gives harrassment options and rax units own gateway units. to counter the toss tech you either need vikings, ghosts, and at least even with upgrades. bunkers give you the option to taake a fast expand and get an early econ lead. the way i play tvp is the most efficient.

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rasa
Profile Joined August 2010
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 22:00:11
June 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#208
rasa
Profile Joined August 2010
United States6 Posts
June 20 2011 21:57 GMT
#209
This guide is amazing and comprehensive - thank you for sharing it. Already it has improved my competitiveness against toss. My first game after studying the guide is a case in point. It makes me wonder why I hadn't explored 1:1:1 builds to a greater extent. Thanks also for explaining the various clues regarding protoss builds.

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=216476
chrusher97
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada811 Posts
June 20 2011 22:08 GMT
#210
yo by the time your hellion scouts his 1 gate FE wouldnt you have already started your starport - and thus making it impossible to do the thor allin to counter it? Or can you only do thor allin when you see the FE with your scouting scv. Or maybe thor allin is possible with a couple starport units?
VisiO
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
June 21 2011 01:46 GMT
#211
Wow thanks alot dude amazing guide

will watch the reps

keep on posting please
Here We Go
BlackTactiks
Profile Joined May 2011
United States52 Posts
June 21 2011 02:21 GMT
#212
This Is Freaking Awesome!! I Would Love To See You Write A TvZ and TvT Guide As Well
Working Towards Greatness :)
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 03:26:21
June 21 2011 03:25 GMT
#213
its very interresting to use the early hellion to scout again the toss to check what built he plays
the advantage of this built is
that you can adapt to the built of the toss and counter him
the unit combo makes terran army versatile against anything the toss has

the only weakness is

once your deathball is stoped and you lost the shees and raven
you never built them again
from what i saw
because you have only 1 starport and that is busy to built 2x vikings

btw i would to see a T v Z guide as well
HeroFighter
Profile Joined June 2010
United States51 Posts
June 21 2011 15:55 GMT
#214
do you have a replay of a thor all-in against nexus first?
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Creeesta
Profile Joined November 2010
United States3 Posts
June 21 2011 18:36 GMT
#215
thank you so much i never when playing toss now...



I'm a guy
ozeake
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland48 Posts
June 21 2011 19:50 GMT
#216
A very comprehensive guide, already downloaded all the replays and taking notes to improve my gameplay.

However:
On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
In any case, the proper response is to go for an EEEE HAN TIMING

On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
I know that this is the EEEE HAN TIMING for me to win.

On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
I scream EEEE HAN TIMING and run into his base for the win.

If you are going to use korean phrases, at least get it right. A quick google search would show that "ee han timing" is the correct form.
Ignorance is the shield of a fool.
Souljah
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States423 Posts
June 21 2011 20:06 GMT
#217
Nice build and well planned.. but I dont think I got the APM for this. Maybe in 6 months. Thanks.
gavinashun
Profile Joined October 2010
101 Posts
June 21 2011 20:50 GMT
#218
On June 22 2011 04:50 ozeake wrote:
A very comprehensive guide, already downloaded all the replays and taking notes to improve my gameplay.

However:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
In any case, the proper response is to go for an EEEE HAN TIMING

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
I know that this is the EEEE HAN TIMING for me to win.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
I scream EEEE HAN TIMING and run into his base for the win.

If you are going to use korean phrases, at least get it right. A quick google search would show that "ee han timing" is the correct form.


lol @ grammar police
WardenSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 21:21:20
June 21 2011 21:16 GMT
#219
On June 22 2011 04:50 ozeake wrote:
However:
On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
In any case, the proper response is to go for an EEEE HAN TIMING

On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
I know that this is the EEEE HAN TIMING for me to win.

On June 12 2011 20:27 WardenSC wrote:
I scream EEEE HAN TIMING and run into his base for the win.

If you are going to use korean phrases, at least get it right. A quick google search would show that "ee han timing" is the correct form.




Thank you very much for the correction. I can speak Korean fluently more so than English but I guess you had to let me know I wrote it that way to exaggerate and make the guide fun to read. But I guess you weren't amused Mr.Korean Professor!

Regards,

Warden
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
June 21 2011 22:59 GMT
#220
This looks great ^^

i might be an idiot but how do you turn on auto-repair? im just right clicking like a retard
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