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On December 07 2012 06:03 HyyeRforAiuR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:29 Mavvie wrote:On December 04 2012 16:08 HyyeRforAiuR wrote:On December 04 2012 06:57 freizya wrote:
does this still work? Yea, I do this sometimes when I get matched up with lower ranking or unfavored players I think may not know how to handle it. That's just the problem with it though is that your success is banking on your opponents inability to handle the situation. If the Zerg reacts quick and drone drills properly they will easily beat this and laugh. I believe that when this strategy was first introduced the drone drilling technique was unknown to the community, which accounts for the seeming unbeatability of this back then. I've gotta say that this still works pretty well from Bronze up till around Top 8 Diamond. I've got a really great win rate with it, and it's honestly a pretty fuckin fun strat. You will make so many people rage it's fantastic, people get REAALLLY mad, it's one of the brightest parts of my day lol, glgl! It's one obnoxious strat, don't mind me while I judge you >_> Also, drone drilling doesn't work. A good Protoss will reinforce the wall, and even if they don't then Zerg loses >300 minerals of mining time so it's actually worth it for P, even if they don't get a free win. I mean on the off-chance you somehow pull off the drone drill then it's better than losing, but I just leave when I get pylon blocked because it's not worth my time, considering that no tournaments allow such strategies. It is definitely rage inducing, and definitely a terrible way to play PvZ. Nothing personal or anything, I mean you can play the game however you want since it doesn't hurt me (ladder is fairly meaningless IMO), but what are you going to do in HotS, where they have actually fixed it? You'll have very little standard PvZ experience, and I see that hurting you quite a bit. Assuming you play for fun though, I guess that doesn't matter  What league are you even in? And I love how you are telling me what kind of experience I have lol. What a complete joke if you paid attention, I said I only do this to scrubs who I think won't know how to handle it. Despite your in depth analysis of my play style and level based off hard evidence you collected, I assure you I have PLENTY of standard PvZ experience, it's my best matchup and I have the most wins in my league so sh
He's a masters Zerg.
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So glad this is fixed in HOTS, no more of these embarrassing clowns pretending their playstyle is a legitimate strategy. Banned since the GSL open seasons in every tournament worldwide, Blizzard finally decides to affirm that this is not only imbalanced and unfair at the highest levels of play, but inappropriate for even the most casual of players in every single league. If you ever make it back to masters in HOTS, you might have actually earned it rather than cheating your way through.
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On December 07 2012 06:03 HyyeRforAiuR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:29 Mavvie wrote:On December 04 2012 16:08 HyyeRforAiuR wrote:On December 04 2012 06:57 freizya wrote:
does this still work? Yea, I do this sometimes when I get matched up with lower ranking or unfavored players I think may not know how to handle it. That's just the problem with it though is that your success is banking on your opponents inability to handle the situation. If the Zerg reacts quick and drone drills properly they will easily beat this and laugh. I believe that when this strategy was first introduced the drone drilling technique was unknown to the community, which accounts for the seeming unbeatability of this back then. I've gotta say that this still works pretty well from Bronze up till around Top 8 Diamond. I've got a really great win rate with it, and it's honestly a pretty fuckin fun strat. You will make so many people rage it's fantastic, people get REAALLLY mad, it's one of the brightest parts of my day lol, glgl! It's one obnoxious strat, don't mind me while I judge you >_> Also, drone drilling doesn't work. A good Protoss will reinforce the wall, and even if they don't then Zerg loses >300 minerals of mining time so it's actually worth it for P, even if they don't get a free win. I mean on the off-chance you somehow pull off the drone drill then it's better than losing, but I just leave when I get pylon blocked because it's not worth my time, considering that no tournaments allow such strategies. It is definitely rage inducing, and definitely a terrible way to play PvZ. Nothing personal or anything, I mean you can play the game however you want since it doesn't hurt me (ladder is fairly meaningless IMO), but what are you going to do in HotS, where they have actually fixed it? You'll have very little standard PvZ experience, and I see that hurting you quite a bit. Assuming you play for fun though, I guess that doesn't matter What league are you even in? And I love how you are telling me what kind of experience I have lol. What a complete joke if you paid attention, I said I only do this to scrubs who I think won't know how to handle it. Despite your in depth analysis of my play style and level based off hard evidence you collected, I assure you I have PLENTY of standard PvZ experience, it's my best matchup and I have the most wins in my league so sh
Just tested it in a vs AI game, if you react as soon as the first pylon is planted it's about 1 minute of mining time. 16 drones x 1 minute = 16 minutes of mining time. 16 minutes x 40 minerals/minute = 640 minerals, so round to about 600 minerals to compensate for inaccuracies. That's still an insanely good trade for Protoss, even if they have to cancel 2 cannons and lose all three pylons.
While I don't know exactly what your experience is, considering that one can assume that 1/3 games are against players whom see you as "slightly favoured" or better, you only play 2/3 of your ZvP's, which is a lot less than if you didn't.
I'm actually mid masters, and while I don't have the most wins in my league or division, I have pretty decent MMR and knowledge of the game. Still no good though, and am often wrong. ZvP is my worst matchup, I have an impressive 16% winrate in it this season. Every loss is to 3 base colossus pushes haha, I'm one stubborn motherfucker to not learn how to play against them.
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On December 07 2012 07:32 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
So glad this is fixed in HOTS, no more of these embarrassing clowns pretending their playstyle is a legitimate strategy. Banned since the GSL open seasons in every tournament worldwide, Blizzard finally decides to affirm that this is not only imbalanced and unfair at the highest levels of play, but inappropriate for even the most casual of players in every single league. If you ever make it back to masters in HOTS, you might have actually earned it rather than cheating your way through.
Thats about how I feel. and that includes the bunker blocks from terrans as well.
When toss does this to me i decide to do some crazy stuff too. For starters i always drone scout to see whats up, so if a toss just rolls up and blocks my ramp, i plant and let finish the hatch in their natural. then i make a queen and try to spread some creep in their base. at minimum this forces 1 base to 1 base. him with cannons, me with spines.
from there its just a matter of whos 1 base play is tougher, as both races have many options to go on from that point.
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I have been doing +2 Blink Stalkers off two base recently, I will defo have to give this ago, since blink stalkers is my best and favourite thing to go!
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On December 07 2012 07:32 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
So glad this is fixed in HOTS, no more of these embarrassing clowns pretending their playstyle is a legitimate strategy. Banned since the GSL open seasons in every tournament worldwide, Blizzard finally decides to affirm that this is not only imbalanced and unfair at the highest levels of play, but inappropriate for even the most casual of players in every single league. If you ever make it back to masters in HOTS, you might have actually earned it rather than cheating your way through.
What fix do they have in HotS? Neutral supply depot @ ramp?
This strat works, way too well, vs zerg players such as myself. The most annoying I have seen as of late: combo of pylons with a gateway at ramp. So not only could I not get out, I was forced to make D to defend zealots that would spawn INTO my main! Cannons behind it was icing on the cake. I rage at this shit so hard.
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If any of you cheesy motherfuckers like myself still have fun using this strat on the scrubs, on the new map 'Akilon Flats', the drone drilling technique will not work against a 3 pylon block. I have had this confirmed by many whining and squirming victims on the ladder, happy cheesing boys!!
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I've already done this, the most dangerous thing might be nydus for sure.
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Ah, I remember doing this a long time ago. It was fun until you actually lose a game... then you feel like the worst player ever.
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On December 14 2012 05:31 theMutt wrote:
What fix do they have in HotS? Neutral supply depot @ ramp?
That's not a neutral supply depot, but it's the same. Blizzard added some "rocks platform" on HOTS.
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This is actually not a cheese. Cheese are vald strategies, but extreme. This is just an issue of map design that is fixed in competitions, and by blizzard in recent (/decent) maps.
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Start both gas asap, get 2nd queen. 1 queen to kill 1-2 pylons otheri injects make around 16 drones. Mine of both gases for fast speed and bane nest mass lings after 16ish drones(pull drones off gas around 250gas). After the queen breakes the pylon just runby and if needed bust his front. Collect easy win (around 60-70% you will win).
On bigger ramps like Antiga/Akilon/daybreak the bust might not even be necessary as most P just follow it up with greedy/tech play thus having limited sentry count if any. Dont forget to let him see the gas and then suicide ovie for better chances of the bust(sentry will most likely chase/check it for possible nydus)
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I just patrol a drone on the bottom of my ramp between 15-17 supply. It costs you a few minerals, but even if it prevents one protoss in a hundred games from pulling this retarded crap on me it's completely worth it.
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