• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:11
CEST 14:11
KST 21:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes173BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion StarCraft Stellar Forces had bad maps Starcraft: Destruction expansion pack?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1775 users

[G] JEcho's ZvT RoachBaneLing Bust - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 00:47:38
May 28 2011 00:33 GMT
#61
On May 28 2011 09:29 DrDoom wrote:
I've been working on using this build and it seems strong so far. My main problem is when people stay on one base. How do you react to this when they are denying you scouting? If seems like you'll want to have different compositions if they are going for a marine scv all-in, versus a banshee all in.

A marine all in would have to hit by this 2 base push. It has lair tech. It would be a VERY late marine scv all in, stopped easily by the speed banes.

And again, this is for a 1-1-1 like fast expansion, or 2 rax fast expo. Not a 1 base play. If you scout one base, obviously play it safe until you can scout whats coming.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 03:08:52
May 28 2011 03:05 GMT
#62
Spoiler due to recent match:
+ Show Spoiler +
Moonglade just did this against KawaiiRice in set 1 for those that have NASL VOD rights or will watch the EU restream.
+ Show Spoiler [Result] +
Showed perfectly how this build utterly demolishes a low tank count.
.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
vaLentine88
Profile Joined August 2010
United States61 Posts
May 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#63
I'm a big fan of roach/bane styles- I've found them very successful as most terrans prepare for mutas

Tactically it's always important to run the roaches in first to give the banes more time to run in!
Go Celtics!
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
May 28 2011 18:44 GMT
#64
Awesome work and I can't wait to try this, Mr Bitter mentioned this on the NASL hence i found this ^^
Luppa <3
FXOjEcho
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada318 Posts
May 29 2011 05:58 GMT
#65
This attack is strictly meant for an opponent who expands, if he stays on 1 base, youd be crazy to try going up the ramp. if theres no expansion, proceed to play "normally" to prep for 1 base all-ins
aquanda
Profile Joined January 2003
United States477 Posts
May 29 2011 07:01 GMT
#66
Thank you for not creating an arbitrary name for this build.
Kornholi0
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada634 Posts
May 29 2011 08:22 GMT
#67
I don't want to sound cynical, but isn't this like the original 14 gas 14 pool baneling zergling build that used to be the meta game? You kinda replaced lair tech with roaches and turned it into an all-in type of thing..

I am curious, wouldn't siege tank banshee be a good counter for this? I dunno if it is possible but if you get 1 rax 1 gas and then take the rest of your gases asap you can get a banshees and tanks which would hold off your attack especially if the terran is using his banshees properly (constantly moving them around and scouting) I guess that would also turn out to be like getting mutalisk in ZvZ, sure you have air and sure he has roaches and roaches don't shoot up, but danm you can do a lot of damage with roaches hahaha.

Seems interesting I'ves tarted ecorporating baneling busts into my ZvT because terrans are so used to crackling Infestor that they get careless at their front gates.
Team Channel: VTeX Team Co-leader: AGGhost 223 Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/agghost
TetriX101
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada51 Posts
May 29 2011 08:27 GMT
#68
awesome to see zerg utilizing early 2 base potential. Great post! Great strat. Been working on this kind of stuff for a while myself :3 awesome to see you posting this dood!
Never Give Up! Never Surrender!
Terrokhan
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia22 Posts
May 29 2011 09:01 GMT
#69
Man! I tried this today before seening any post about this kind of strategy. It makes sense to attack when you opponent is at a weak point. I had pretty much the exact same comp. The thing was he had a bunch of tanks and bunkers out so I could not break him, sadface.
I have an addiction...
FXOjEcho
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada318 Posts
May 29 2011 16:15 GMT
#70
Thanks for all the support guys, i intend to post a ZvP How to muta guide when i have some time
Trakky
Profile Joined February 2011
95 Posts
May 29 2011 16:35 GMT
#71
Is there a timing attack for ZvT like what losira does for ZvP (8 roach push with rallied speedlings). Because in this strat, it seems like you don't have a specific timing attack.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
May 30 2011 21:36 GMT
#72
On May 30 2011 01:35 Trakky wrote:
Is there a timing attack for ZvT like what losira does for ZvP (8 roach push with rallied speedlings). Because in this strat, it seems like you don't have a specific timing attack.


It's actually the same kind of idea. The Roach Ling timing hit is really meant to kill sentries, pressure hard and force force fields to drain up energy. It resets the sentry energy build up. In this ZvT strat, you want to reset the tank count while really pressuring them into a more defensive mindset. Timing wise you should hit when they have 1 or 2 tanks and try to hit the natural hard. It's more important your composition and army is right than to hit a specific timing. Just make sure you hit before he gets a good number of tanks, as tanks do pretty well against both roaches and banelings.
Trakky
Profile Joined February 2011
95 Posts
May 30 2011 23:59 GMT
#73
So would this strat's timing attack be a, save up 2 hatches worth of larvae with injects, make all roaches with them as speed finishes, then take some drones off gas, and rally speedlings in. Then you can drone up or expand after this.
magha
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands427 Posts
May 31 2011 10:53 GMT
#74
I've been a very big fan of this build for a while. Always loved to watch JEcho's ZvT videos on youtube. Never really managed to get the build just right so this guide really helped me out. Thanks !
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
May 31 2011 11:24 GMT
#75
A reason why you go 14/14 vs. terran and not 15 hatch?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 11:27:18
May 31 2011 11:25 GMT
#76
On May 31 2011 20:24 Alpina wrote:
A reason why you go 14/14 vs. terran and not 15 hatch?


It's a four-page thread... question's been answered already (since I wanted to know as well)

EDIT: Page 2. Good job actually checking.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
May 31 2011 11:26 GMT
#77
On May 31 2011 20:25 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 20:24 Alpina wrote:
A reason why you go 14/14 vs. terran and not 15 hatch?


It's a four-page thread... question's been answered already (since I wanted to know as well)


I didn't find the answer that why i ask lol
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
magha
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands427 Posts
May 31 2011 11:36 GMT
#78
On May 23 2011 13:23 JEcho wrote:
@fairforever, yes i do believe so, its just this way is more consistent, because if you go hatch first your more likely to lose drones / get hatch blocked and delayed etc. But if you can make it work definitely go for it



User was warned for this post
TwoMagTrav
Profile Joined January 2011
United States195 Posts
May 31 2011 19:11 GMT
#79
Cool build J, we'll have to catch up sometime man. Can't wait to get off work to watch the replays.
When I feed the poor they call me a saint, when I ask why the poor have no food they call me a socialist
FXOjEcho
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada318 Posts
June 02 2011 04:33 GMT
#80
Apparently i got a shoutout on Nasl courtesy of mr.bitter, how cool is that
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
2v2 #2
WardiTV629
IndyStarCraft 0
Liquipedia
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
08:00
Day 2 - Play Off & Finals Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech83
Rex 81
MindelVK 42
IndyStarCraft 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32483
Rain 10840
Hyuk 5461
BeSt 2344
Sea 1860
Horang2 1706
Flash 1703
PianO 1548
Larva 628
Bisu 601
[ Show more ]
Leta 434
Last 228
Mong 189
ggaemo 176
Soulkey 157
Hyun 157
ToSsGirL 126
ZZZero.O 117
sorry 83
Rush 75
yabsab 44
Soma 40
Backho 35
Movie 34
Free 30
Sexy 29
scan(afreeca) 23
Icarus 19
sas.Sziky 18
Yoon 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
IntoTheRainbow 12
Hm[arnc] 9
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1018
Dendi894
qojqva393
Pyrionflax303
Fuzer 261
Counter-Strike
x6flipin497
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor247
Other Games
singsing2782
B2W.Neo1452
DeMusliM335
Hui .120
SortOf88
Mew2King83
NeuroSwarm74
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 24
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 5242
• lizZardDota2226
League of Legends
• Jankos1674
Other Games
• WagamamaTV203
Upcoming Events
Online Event
3h 49m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 49m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
22h 49m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Clem vs Reynor
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-18
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.