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vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
May 16 2011 11:43 GMT
#141
1. Tried it failed first few times as was not following the OP
2. Follow up exactly and ensure ur hotkeys and micro are solid. Works best vs fast expanding zerg and worst against terran (bunker =gg)

My fav game was a toss who prxy gated me and cause of my wall was able to win thanks Geiko ur da man!!
Somethings are just worth fighting for
Hetz
Profile Joined September 2010
196 Posts
May 16 2011 11:59 GMT
#142
When i read this 2 things come to mind:

1. Why do people like winning over actually getting good?

2. If people come up with any hard to hold cheese, its always zerg having the hardest time defending and terrans 'just build a bunker'...


turbopasca1
Profile Joined April 2010
Moldova41 Posts
May 16 2011 11:59 GMT
#143
Hello , a funny thing happened to me after i read this thread, i go on ladder and i get a terran player on xelnaga caverns map , i try to scout his base , but his low ground entrance is blocked with rax supply wall (at that moment i was like wtf xD i know what is that) , so i stop making probes added a second gateway before cyber, and chronoboosted my stalkers as soon as i start making them , but as soon as i moved out , my probe spotes him already on half way to my main , so i had little time to kite his army , and still with a little bit micro i was able to kill some scvs , reinforcing marines , gathered my probes and using mineral walk technique i was able to surround marines while scvs where targeting my zealots / stalkers. So i was able to defend it with no problem.
here is the replay , me and my opponent are both 1050+ master league on eu.
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Lomo
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany137 Posts
May 16 2011 12:00 GMT
#144
Tossman plays every game since 6 months 4 gate only and he is gm (Eu);;.
Cheese is way to strong in sc2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pOEvN9n9MI&feature=related
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 16 2011 12:02 GMT
#145
this is a very abusive build, I like it.
Cano
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland200 Posts
May 16 2011 12:03 GMT
#146
Maybe I'm missing something by why not just build a Depot instead of orbital? It's not that you're gearing up for the late game and the Depot is less expensive and builds faster.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
May 16 2011 12:05 GMT
#147
This how a strategy post should be done! Nice reps!
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 16 2011 12:05 GMT
#148
mmm now that could be the reason why a zerg that sees me wallin in at the bottom to deny the scout are always going for a baneling bust. And i just do this to have a double wallin against baneling busts haha xD.
I am shocked though how this can work against grandmaster people. But i guess you have to decide if you wanna fight against one base play or if you want to fight against the fast expand and because of the mind set higher up peoples will always decide for the fast expand . Just like lower ranked people will always decide for the one base play.
ZDuke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6 Posts
May 16 2011 12:09 GMT
#149
On May 16 2011 20:59 turbopasca1 wrote:
Hello , a funny thing happened to me after i read this thread, i go on ladder and i get a terran player on xelnaga caverns map , i try to scout his base , but his low ground entrance is blocked with rax supply wall (at that moment i was like wtf xD i know what is that) , so i stop making probes added a second gateway before cyber, and chronoboosted my stalkers as soon as i start making them , but as soon as i moved out , my probe spotes him already on half way to my main , so i had little time to kite his army , and still with a little bit micro i was able to kill some scvs , reinforcing marines , gathered my probes and using mineral walk technique i was able to surround marines while scvs where targeting my zealots / stalkers. So i was able to defend it with no problem.


I think this is definately the way to beat it as toss, this build is quite easy to scout cause of the low ground wall, supply drop will confirm it.

If he is just faking it to tech or in base FE, then you can harrass the wall with your early stalkers.
Cake?
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
May 16 2011 12:12 GMT
#150
Really well made thread I used a variation of this build with no supply drop before I stopped playing a lot in tvz. I would play many games with someone and do that wall-off into a command center one game and then the cheese the next time
NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
May 16 2011 12:17 GMT
#151
LOL #1 i played vs you twice on ladder (tvp and tvt) and both won ^^.
i was surprised when i saw ur bo but i managed to luckily hold it off (i usually open reaper first, few rines + hellion + try to get massive map control) : thats why i managed to see it comming fairly early - get 2 bunkers and 2nd reaper, however i defended VERY luckily (bunker nerf ftw, 2 reapers in red)

and now week later i see you made nice progress with that build order ^^ this world is soooooo amazing small
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
Draq
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland14 Posts
May 16 2011 12:25 GMT
#152
I saw you twice on ladder. We played pvt and I lost badly^^ Good to know that protoss can defend that all in. Thx for reps how to counter
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2034 Posts
May 16 2011 12:28 GMT
#153
On May 16 2011 21:03 Cano wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something by why not just build a Depot instead of orbital? It's not that you're gearing up for the late game and the Depot is less expensive and builds faster.


I get an oc because i can afford it without cutting marine production. In some cases, that MULE can save the day (see replay vs MoMaN)
geiko.813 (EU)
Crytch
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany135 Posts
May 16 2011 12:30 GMT
#154
On May 16 2011 21:00 mouzLomo wrote:
Tossman plays every game since 6 months 4 gate only and he is gm (Eu);;.
Cheese is way to strong in sc2


No, players who dont scout are way to newbie for sc2...
You: Quick idra, answer this: 3 men walk into a bar. is one of them gay? EGIdrA: depends on whether or not anyone of them plays protoss
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 16 2011 12:30 GMT
#155
On May 16 2011 13:27 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:09 ZeromuS wrote:
So any ideas on Zerg, Terran or Protoss responses? It would be cool to compile them into a post somewhere in these forums so people using search function can find it

Protoss response when seeing the cut workers+multiple rax can be quick forge+cannons, fast sentry, or 2gate lots (pulling probes is okay too since he is pulling his SCVs).

Terran response is easy: just build a bunker. If you walled (which doesn't happen much in TvT but it still does), it's even easier to defend with a bunker.


Jesus crist, can you READ THE OP $%&... He WALLS THE RAMP, so no scout allowed unless you get lucky and find him 1rst on close positions.

These Terran cheeses ruins the game, seriusly thx for posting this so the players can find how to stop this new crap. Minimal skill for amazing results: thats not what smart people want from a good strat game. The most ironic about this, is that is easily to hold only as terran...

User was warned for this post

They patched the game so it takes more than two buildings to wall off, and 9 pylon scout arrives before rax goes up, and ramp at the bottom is already an indicator of what is going to happen.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
danscabra
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom12 Posts
May 16 2011 12:30 GMT
#156
Why oh why did you have to post this now every moron under the suns gonna be all "yay instant GM" and do it.
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
May 16 2011 12:39 GMT
#157
They have a hell lot of work to do in hots
MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
May 16 2011 12:44 GMT
#158
This is so good. I've just raked up 10 wins in a matter of a half an hour almost..

Needless to say, people were not happy.

WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
Njunin
Profile Joined March 2011
14 Posts
May 16 2011 12:55 GMT
#159
On May 16 2011 21:30 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:27 Belha wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:09 ZeromuS wrote:
So any ideas on Zerg, Terran or Protoss responses? It would be cool to compile them into a post somewhere in these forums so people using search function can find it

Protoss response when seeing the cut workers+multiple rax can be quick forge+cannons, fast sentry, or 2gate lots (pulling probes is okay too since he is pulling his SCVs).

Terran response is easy: just build a bunker. If you walled (which doesn't happen much in TvT but it still does), it's even easier to defend with a bunker.


Jesus crist, can you READ THE OP $%&... He WALLS THE RAMP, so no scout allowed unless you get lucky and find him 1rst on close positions.

These Terran cheeses ruins the game, seriusly thx for posting this so the players can find how to stop this new crap. Minimal skill for amazing results: thats not what smart people want from a good strat game. The most ironic about this, is that is easily to hold only as terran...

User was warned for this post

They patched the game so it takes more than two buildings to wall off, and 9 pylon scout arrives before rax goes up, and ramp at the bottom is already an indicator of what is going to happen.


You can still wall off with a 2x2 and a 3x3 building. They removed the possibility to wall off with 2 2x2 buildings, i.e two supply depots or two pylons. When the first rax goes up, the wall-in at the bottom of the ramp ist complete.

It depends on the map, if a 9 Pylon scout can slip in before the first barracks go up, which would leave you without the information if the terran cut SCVs. You can only see the wall-in at the bottom in this case, which does not mean he is going all-in 100%.
Astaeri
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom12 Posts
May 16 2011 13:00 GMT
#160
I think I also made alot of people on ladder unhappy in the last 2 hours. This really needs balancing.
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