EPTIt's shit like this that ruin a perfect day on the ladder
Thanks for sharing!
[G] (T) 3 racks : Cheesing your way to GM league - Page 7
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
It's shit like this that ruin a perfect day on the ladder Thanks for sharing! | ||
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ForTheDr3am
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On May 16 2011 18:50 ForTheDr3am wrote: Do you have any replays of losing against Protoss where you hit at 5:10? SaSe held it off nicely, but you arrived about half a minute late. Here is one, I don't actualy play perfectly in this replay (sorry ) but this is in my opinion the correct way to deal with this. I don't hit at 5:10 because he doesn't let me hit that early.ZyJimmeh (rank 1 Master (1400 points), top 2 EU master behind MStephano) ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-209368.jpg) | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:06 gogatorsfoster wrote: seems like one force feild counters this seems like you haven't been watching the replays, nor reading the thread. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:07 Geiko wrote: seems like you haven't been watching the replays, nor reading the thread. im going off my gsl seasons watched and the 2 rax scv all in was very popular for a while but it died out. Just saying that if the protoss goes for a one base play it seems innefective. I dont like to play like a dice roll. How is it that this beats sentrys at the top of the ramp? went of experience watching pros do it vs pros. Read your op just giving my opinion on the build no need to be a jurk. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
i use a similar build (like response #1, 12rax, 14rax, 14rax) and i have a incredible good winrate vs Protoss, a pretty good vs Zerg and a horrible vs Terran, because i play random and every Terran walls off vs Random | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:23 gogatorsfoster wrote: im going off my gsl seasons watched and the 2 rax scv all in was very popular for a while but it died out. Just saying that if the protoss goes for a one base play it seems innefective. I dont like to play like a dice roll. How is it that this beats sentrys at the top of the ramp? went of experience watching pros do it vs pros. Read your op just giving my opinion on the build no need to be a jurk. Timings. Look at the ToD replay where he gets sentries. This isn't just a mass marine push, it's an Allin that hits extremely early. In my experience, you can get 2 FFs out but not much more without knowing before hand that this is coming. You will not be able to get more then 2 sentries if I hit at 5:10 as I should. Sorry about the tone, I just had the feeling you were criticizing without having actualy read the thread or bothered to look at replays, sorry if that was not the case. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:29 Geiko wrote: Timings. Look at the ToD replay where he gets sentries. This isn't just a mass marine push, it's an Allin that hits extremely early. In my experience, you can get 2 FFs out but not much more without knowing before hand that this is coming. You will not be able to get more then 2 sentries if I hit at 5:10 as I should. Sorry about the tone, I just had the feeling you were criticizing without having actualy read the thread or bothered to look at replays, sorry if that was not the case. 2 sentries is enough to delay for another and if im not mistaken 3 sentrys can infinite forcefeild a ramp. Am i wrong on that one? | ||
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ScootZilla
United States37 Posts
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Slyce
United Kingdom173 Posts
I am a Master Terran and I use a very similar build from time to time, exclusively against zerg though. I used this build all the way from gold to Master on every zerg and really really regretted it. It took me days and days of customs to get my TvZ to a state where I could even compete on ladder and even now two months on it is still my weakest matchup. This is a great build to have in your bank... But it should not be a "trick to GM" You will regret it in the long run if you actually care about being a good player. My Build + Show Spoiler + 10 - depo 12 - rax 14 - rax (cut SCVs) 14 - rax 15 - OC (supply drop thingy) Leave base at 4:00 with 3ish marines and most scvs (leaving 3 at home is enough for constant marine production in my experience.) tl;dr - You won't be a good player if you just use this. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:45 gogatorsfoster wrote: 2 sentries is enough to delay for another and if im not mistaken 3 sentrys can infinite forcefeild a ramp. Am i wrong on that one? Yes you are. You definitely need more than 3 sentries for perma-fields. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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SystemTV
Australia102 Posts
Here's the replay for anyone interested: ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-209375.jpg) | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On May 16 2011 19:45 gogatorsfoster wrote: 2 sentries is enough to delay for another and if im not mistaken 3 sentrys can infinite forcefeild a ramp. Am i wrong on that one? at 5:10 min you have basically nothing to produce that many sentries. (Unless you are specifically preparing for this from the start, in which case you simply lose to standard TvP) | ||
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zergrushkekeke
Australia241 Posts
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/1434 And the second one, me faking the build then expanding against a protoss, who then ignores it completely and goes standard 3 gate robo. I think it did OK economically but it wasn't very polished. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/1435 So, i like the idea of having a FE that looks exactly like a cheesy all in. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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ma70
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On May 16 2011 20:16 zergrushkekeke wrote: I'M BAD AT REPLAYS! But here are two games (gold league), the first is me getting wiped out vs a zerg who pretty much 7 roach rushed, which hatched when i arrived, is this just a build order loss or did i mess up something hard, close positions and he scouted me early so he could have guessed what was coming. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/1434 And the second one, me faking the build then expanding against a protoss, who then ignores it completely and goes standard 3 gate robo. I think it did OK economically but it wasn't very polished. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/1435 So, i like the idea of having a FE that looks exactly like a cheesy all in. This is supposed to win vs a 7RR. In the replay your marine micro was terribad. When you are chasing stuff, remember to stutter-step (you would have killed 6-7 drones with stutter step) and also, remember to keep your SCVs and marines close. You got vaught totaly of position when the roaches popped and your SCVs were basicaly useless. | ||
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On May 16 2011 20:27 ma70 wrote: Just wondering, how come walling off at the bottom of the ramp means that it may be an all-in type build? Because that supply depot is then easy to pick off with any sort of early pressure. Unless you set up defensive mesures at your natural, at which case you have to be confident you can hold an all in. | ||
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