EPT[G] (T) 3 racks : Cheesing your way to GM league - Page 53
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VapouR.
United Kingdom14 Posts
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On July 13 2011 07:41 VapouR. wrote: I do love seeing this on ladder after this thread. See a low-ground wall-off and its gg. If I played T, I'd be walling off on the low ground and 1 rax CCing every game right now. | ||
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JasperGrimm
Canada100 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 13 2011 09:56 Eschaton wrote: If I played T, I'd be walling off on the low ground and 1 rax CCing every game right now. Or cloak banshee  This has a lot option to make your opponent over react and lose anyway. | ||
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MepHiii
Poland191 Posts
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prutz
Netherlands52 Posts
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tuestresfat
2555 Posts
to answer your question this works on every map with a standard ramp. it's simple just strike scrap station and taldarim and you're good to go | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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prutz
Netherlands52 Posts
On July 14 2011 18:44 tuestresfat wrote: you guys need to stop senselessly bumping this thread to answer your question this works on every map with a standard ramp. it's simple just strike scrap station and taldarim and you're good to go no sir doing to the changes with the ramps it doesnt work on normal maps>.> not even on xellnaga | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On July 13 2011 09:56 Eschaton wrote: If I played T, I'd be walling off on the low ground and 1 rax CCing every game right now. I don't get why players don't do this. There's really no possibility to get in a scout. You could be going 1 rax CC, 3 rax or 7 rax for all they know. Am I missing something here? It doesn't seem much more vulnerable to banelings, right? | ||
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Pseudo-
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On July 14 2011 23:53 ribboo wrote: I don't get why players don't do this. There's really no possibility to get in a scout. You could be going 1 rax CC, 3 rax or 7 rax for all they know. Am I missing something here? It doesn't seem much more vulnerable to banelings, right? Because any pressure from protoss will snipe your supply depo with a stalker and in general just annoy the hell out of you, not to mention it probably makes you a lot weaker against 3gate pressure or a 4gate. and if protoss thinks you are doing the cheese and it doesn't come, they WILL pressure you because you forced them to make an army. Against zerg its not so bad but it is weak to roaches and its a pretty bad against a baneling bust unless you wall off the top aswell. This strategy is pretty much common knowledge now, most people know how to defend against it. I doubt you could even get out of diamond with it let alone GM, I tried it for about 5 games, only won 2 of them, and against terran its 100% loss if they make a bunker. | ||
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Geiko
France2012 Posts
On July 14 2011 23:30 prutz wrote: no sir doing to the changes with the ramps it doesnt work on normal maps>.> not even on xellnaga I'm pretty sure it works on all the ladder maps except for tda and scrap station ? Are you talking about the PTR maps ? | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On July 13 2011 06:16 Diabolegal wrote: CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument. You can criticize him for a lot of stuff, but the point I want to make is that he knows the insides and outs of this build more than most people and this build does not encompass ALL of SC2. It's like CombatEx and Deezer knowing specifically proxy warpgate and stargate better than most people because they do it all the time. Ok man, you just blew everything out of proportion with what I said when you replied to the other guy defending me and I'm going to stop since I don't remember saying what you said I said in the way you think I said it to that other guy. There is such a thing as nuance and not black and white yes or no bro... Then again, the English language is very interpretive so you're not necessarily wrong if this was a class on semantics. It's just that If you went through this thread, you really would notice there are a lot of insults thrown at the guy and I just feel as if people need to thank this guy at the very least. Heck, people keep on saying it just doesn't work anymore and yet he just goes and makes it work, I think that counts for something... | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
I've killed a number of Zergs with Reactor Hellion or 2 Port Banshee, or Protosses with 3 Rax or Cloakshee, because they assumed I was attacking at 5 minutes with all my SCVs. Metagame ftw. (I play Random and Terran is my worst race, so I have to resort to a lot of cheese at Mid-Master). | ||
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prutz
Netherlands52 Posts
I'm pretty sure it works on all the ladder maps except for tda and scrap station ? Are you talking about the PTR maps ?[/QUOTE] no just the normal maps like xellnaga etc. idk why maybe im doing it wrong but you should try you cant walloff anymore with 1 rax and depo | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:16 Disquiet wrote: Because any pressure from protoss will snipe your supply depo with a stalker and in general just annoy the hell out of you, not to mention it probably makes you a lot weaker against 3gate pressure or a 4gate. and if protoss thinks you are doing the cheese and it doesn't come, they WILL pressure you because you forced them to make an army. Against zerg its not so bad but it is weak to roaches and its a pretty bad against a baneling bust unless you wall off the top aswell. This strategy is pretty much common knowledge now, most people know how to defend against it. I doubt you could even get out of diamond with it let alone GM, I tried it for about 5 games, only won 2 of them, and against terran its 100% loss if they make a bunker. Well, I'm talking about TvZ, I wouldn't use it against P. Isn't a normal 2 rax, 1 supply depot just a vulnerable to bling/roach though? I mean, almost every GSL Terran did these wall-offs until GOM made it impossible on GSL maps, so it must be pretty damn good. | ||
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Geiko
France2012 Posts
On July 15 2011 01:54 prutz wrote: no just the normal maps like xellnaga etc. idk why maybe im doing it wrong but you should try you cant walloff anymore with 1 rax and depo Just tested this and it still works (you had me worried for a second :p) This is what it should like (picture from a previous answer in this thread): ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mwTI6.jpg) It takes a little bit of practise but then you can do it on all the normal ramp maps | ||
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