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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 14 2011 17:52 GMT
#1061
Man, this thread just keeps going. I love losing to this, because I never feel bad because its a total coin flip. A: Bone my economy to counter it B: Play standard and hope the terran is playing some mind games.

How can you feel bad about a coin flip?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
prutz
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands52 Posts
July 14 2011 17:55 GMT
#1062
MAN IM SO SORRY
yes you are right ^^
i just FKD it up in ladder i gues cuz when you look at it it seems that there is a gap so i misplaced my depo xd :D:D
thnx alot for this build anyway :D
Fiendish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States210 Posts
July 14 2011 18:02 GMT
#1063
this build is so great haha
Deezer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada73 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 01:56:01
July 14 2011 21:45 GMT
#1064

CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.


It really sad to said someting you have no idea.

My macro is prolly better then alot of gm player , so before talking shit do some research.

Its fine your prob 12.

Totally forgiven you



User was warned for this post
RatZ GaminG Leader
Diabolegal
Profile Joined June 2011
United States110 Posts
July 14 2011 23:00 GMT
#1065
On July 15 2011 06:45 Deezer wrote:

CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.[/QUOTE]

It really sad to said someting you have no idea.

My macro is prolly better then alot of gm player , so before talking shit do some research.

Its fine your prob 12.

Totally forgiven you

[/QUOTE]

You're right. Most people can't build cannons and proxy gateway units while watching their opponent's stream as well as you do.
Diamond Terran (NA)
iRaYP
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland66 Posts
July 14 2011 23:05 GMT
#1066
On July 15 2011 08:00 Diabolegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:45 Deezer wrote:

CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.


It really sad to said someting you have no idea.

My macro is prolly better then alot of gm player , so before talking shit do some research.

Its fine your prob 12.

Totally forgiven you

[/QUOTE]

You're right. Most people can't build cannons and proxy gateway units while watching their opponent's stream as well as you do.[/QUOTE]

Do you think everyone streams their games up to GM yea?? if not then people like deezer are better than 99.8% of The NA server,
Herp Derp
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2034 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 23:15:02
July 14 2011 23:14 GMT
#1067
On July 15 2011 08:00 Diabolegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:45 Deezer wrote:

CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.


It really sad to said someting you have no idea.

My macro is prolly better then alot of gm player , so before talking shit do some research.

Its fine your prob 12.

Totally forgiven you



You're right. Most people can't build cannons and proxy gateway units while watching their opponent's stream as well as you do.


Diabolegal, stop your terrible posting please...(didn't you already get warned ?) He's a thousand times better than you will ever be, and even though you are a bad troll, you're getting on people's nerves I think.
geiko.813 (EU)
Diabolegal
Profile Joined June 2011
United States110 Posts
July 14 2011 23:35 GMT
#1068
On July 15 2011 08:14 Geiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 08:00 Diabolegal wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:45 Deezer wrote:

CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.


It really sad to said someting you have no idea.

My macro is prolly better then alot of gm player , so before talking shit do some research.

Its fine your prob 12.

Totally forgiven you



You're right. Most people can't build cannons and proxy gateway units while watching their opponent's stream as well as you do.


Diabolegal, stop your terrible posting please...(didn't you already get warned ?) He's a thousand times better than you will ever be, and even though you are a bad troll, you're getting on people's nerves I think.


You don't even know what trolling is. Pointing out a legitimate weakness in your build is not trolling; it's part of the peer review process. It's sad that you can't handle constructive criticism like a grown-up, but don't call people trolls for trying to help you.

Also, you were hostile towards me ("whoever said that you can scout with a probe doesn't know anything") before I was towards you.
Diamond Terran (NA)
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 00:38:00
July 15 2011 00:37 GMT
#1069
Instead of proving to everyone what a tool you are Diabolegal why not put your money where your mouth is? I assume Geiko's bet still stands?
MC for president
Diabolegal
Profile Joined June 2011
United States110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 00:51:54
July 15 2011 00:43 GMT
#1070
On July 15 2011 09:37 tdt wrote:
Instead of proving to everyone what a tool you are Diabolegal why not put your money where your mouth is? I assume Geiko's bet still stands?


If you really think that nobody can ever scout whether the cheesy player doing this build is moving out with marines and SCVs or floating out an expansion by simply watching the natural/exit, then you are the tool.

Also, if I want a game where each player knows what the other is doing, I'll watch the CombatEX-Deezer grudge match. I like giving my money away as much as the OP likes criticism.
Diamond Terran (NA)
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
July 15 2011 00:55 GMT
#1071
@OP thank you very much for this wonderful guide. I am a diamond zerg and I REALLY appreciate you not only including the winning replays, but also the counter-replays. This guide has benefitted the game on both sides, instead of wasting people's time thinking "okay now how many games do i need to play before I can find a strategy that holds this?"

thank you.
Micro your Macro
Boomling
Profile Joined January 2011
United States8 Posts
July 15 2011 01:01 GMT
#1072
Diabolegal your quote says it all your being a troll stop flaming everyone
wow im such a der
Diabolegal
Profile Joined June 2011
United States110 Posts
July 15 2011 01:03 GMT
#1073
On July 15 2011 10:01 Boomling wrote:
Diabolegal your quote says it all your being a troll stop flaming everyone


Self-defense.
Diamond Terran (NA)
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 15 2011 01:14 GMT
#1074
On July 15 2011 09:43 Diabolegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 09:37 tdt wrote:
Instead of proving to everyone what a tool you are Diabolegal why not put your money where your mouth is? I assume Geiko's bet still stands?


If you really think that nobody can ever scout whether the cheesy player doing this build is moving out with marines and SCVs or floating out an expansion by simply watching the natural/exit, then you are the tool.

Also, if I want a game where each player knows what the other is doing, I'll watch the CombatEX-Deezer grudge match. I like giving my money away as much as the OP likes criticism.

Of course it can be scouted and countered. OP said as much. Sending scouits on 9/10, get lucky on 4 player or easier on 2 player map. Point is even if scouted some players may die. You can also trick someone into a counter not there while doing something els,e cloak banshee/FE etc going for an auto win that way. Point is you can get GM/M with a strat that takes little skill and Geiko has done it and is willing to do it again to prove naysayers such as yourself wrong. What do you offer, theory, BM, and trolling.
MC for president
Diabolegal
Profile Joined June 2011
United States110 Posts
July 15 2011 01:24 GMT
#1075
On July 15 2011 10:14 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 09:43 Diabolegal wrote:
On July 15 2011 09:37 tdt wrote:
Instead of proving to everyone what a tool you are Diabolegal why not put your money where your mouth is? I assume Geiko's bet still stands?


If you really think that nobody can ever scout whether the cheesy player doing this build is moving out with marines and SCVs or floating out an expansion by simply watching the natural/exit, then you are the tool.

Also, if I want a game where each player knows what the other is doing, I'll watch the CombatEX-Deezer grudge match. I like giving my money away as much as the OP likes criticism.

Of course it can be scouted and countered. OP said as much. Sending scouits on 9/10, get lucky on 4 player or easier on 2 player map. Point is even if scouted some players may die. You can also trick someone into a counter not there while doing something els,e cloak banshee/FE etc going for an auto win that way. Point is you can get GM/M with a strat that takes little skill and Geiko has done it and is willing to do it again to prove naysayers such as yourself wrong. What do you offer, theory, BM, and trolling.


Being hostile to people, like the OP, who were hostile to me first is not BM/trolling, it's self-defense. What I offered was constructive criticism, and instead of engaging in intelligent discussion, I got dozens of childish replies full of name-calling and strawman arguments.

For the umpteenth time, I'm not denying that this build works (speaking of the strawman...). My point is that you can leave your worker scout in the natural to see whether or not T moves out. If he does, you can bunker up; if he doesn't, you can spot an expansion going down and/or use Orbital energy for a scan to see what T is really doing. I've done it before (so it's not only a theory); it's not that hard to do.
Diamond Terran (NA)
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
July 15 2011 01:58 GMT
#1076
On July 15 2011 10:24 Diabolegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 10:14 tdt wrote:
On July 15 2011 09:43 Diabolegal wrote:
On July 15 2011 09:37 tdt wrote:
Instead of proving to everyone what a tool you are Diabolegal why not put your money where your mouth is? I assume Geiko's bet still stands?


If you really think that nobody can ever scout whether the cheesy player doing this build is moving out with marines and SCVs or floating out an expansion by simply watching the natural/exit, then you are the tool.

Also, if I want a game where each player knows what the other is doing, I'll watch the CombatEX-Deezer grudge match. I like giving my money away as much as the OP likes criticism.

Of course it can be scouted and countered. OP said as much. Sending scouits on 9/10, get lucky on 4 player or easier on 2 player map. Point is even if scouted some players may die. You can also trick someone into a counter not there while doing something els,e cloak banshee/FE etc going for an auto win that way. Point is you can get GM/M with a strat that takes little skill and Geiko has done it and is willing to do it again to prove naysayers such as yourself wrong. What do you offer, theory, BM, and trolling.


Being hostile to people, like the OP, who were hostile to me first is not BM/trolling, it's self-defense. What I offered was constructive criticism, and instead of engaging in intelligent discussion, I got dozens of childish replies full of name-calling and strawman arguments.

For the umpteenth time, I'm not denying that this build works (speaking of the strawman...). My point is that you can leave your worker scout in the natural to see whether or not T moves out. If he does, you can bunker up; if he doesn't, you can spot an expansion going down and/or use Orbital energy for a scan to see what T is really doing. I've done it before (so it's not only a theory); it's not that hard to do.


So you assume they wont kill your scout with like 2 marines showing you nothing? Tbh it sounds like youve played against terrible people, or people doing the build wrong.

Also, youve been getting a bad rep, even while you are pointing out legit things. The point about Deezer and CombatX, obvious troll. But that aside, your not being as stupid as most people are saying. Even if you are being rather rude about it
xHassassin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States270 Posts
July 15 2011 01:59 GMT
#1077
Is there a reason why you get orbital?

I mean it seems like you only get it to grab a supply dropdown.
Orbital is 150
Supply depo is 100
Unless the lost mining time is >50, it doesn't really make sense.
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
July 15 2011 02:10 GMT
#1078
On July 15 2011 10:59 xHassassin wrote:
Is there a reason why you get orbital?

I mean it seems like you only get it to grab a supply dropdown.
Orbital is 150
Supply depo is 100
Unless the lost mining time is >50, it doesn't really make sense.


This had been discussed quite a lot. First off a depot costs about 130 minerals inc mining time. Off the top of my head unless its for reinforcements i cant member, however it had been decided its just better
Shewfasa
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada4 Posts
July 15 2011 02:14 GMT
#1079
As a terran who stuggled vs toss while doing well vs zerg/terran I picked up this build when it first came out for a few weeks and did quite well with it (only used it vs toss). The one adaptation I did make, (which perhaps others could try to avoid getting spotted pulling the low wall in) was to simply 2 rax 1 supply depot high wall vs toss. It worked about 90% of the time for me anyhow, however I've since moved on to try to continue perfecting the old macro style, as i realize this will only work to a certain level. For the most part a toss spotting two naked rax would assume you were three raxing and think he had more time (obviously not always), but give it a go anyhow, maybe it will help the lower leagues struggling with this build as it has become so common.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
July 15 2011 02:16 GMT
#1080
On July 15 2011 06:45 Deezer wrote:
Show nested quote +

CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.


It really sad to said someting you have no idea.

My macro is prolly better then alot of gm player , so before talking shit do some research.

Its fine your prob 12.

Totally forgiven you



User was warned for this post



why am I not surprised to see you post in this thread Deezer?


On topic: This build is too hard to hold as protoss. The protoss can't make a single mistake basically, and if he is unable to kite your army with stalkers (due to alternative attack paths or so) its pretty much 100% GG.
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