[G] (T) 3 racks : Cheesing your way to GM league - Page 52

On July 13 2011 02:43 Geiko wrote:
The dude saying that you can scout with probes doesn't know what he is talking about. Whether you are doing the build, or doing a 1 rax FE, you will use your marines to clear out your base and the watch tower before the supply drop timing.
He also said something stupid like you couldn't expand after cutting workers... Well duh ! You're not going to cut workers if you are expanding...

It is also correct that the lower supply depot is vulnerable if you expand. This can be compensated by building an additional bunker to defend your FE.

On July 13 2011 03:15 Diabolegal wrote:


Learn to read. I said fast expanding wouldn't be feasible after cutting workers; I didn't say you'd cut workers if you're expanding. I also said that the probe can hide in the NATURAL to see if and when you move out; I didn't say anything about it hiding in your main (her derp! there's a wall!) or holding the watchtower (which doesn't cover your natural anyway). Probes hide in natural expos all the time to put down proxy pylons and, of course, scout for early aggression, which this build telegraphs.

Saying that others don't know what they're talking about doesn't cover up the fact that YOU don't know what you're talking about. Finally, saying "he won't scout this" are famous (and stupid) last words. Anybody can scout when the enemy expands to his natural or moves out.

On July 13 2011 01:42 Diabolegal wrote:


Being supply blocked and letting P into your base to scout you. Sounds worth it to me.

I love the "strategy" in these forums.

On July 13 2011 03:22 Geiko wrote:


Lol ^^I think I know what I'm talking about more than anybody in this thread :p

By "clear out your base" I meant clear the natural, are you seriously saying you hadn't understood this ?

It's in the OP if you had bothered to read, and in all my replays if you had bothered to watch them. You use your first marines to prevent scouting. Unless your opponent has a super probe with cloak he will not be able to scout the scvs moving out.

We are talking about a regular FE with bottom wall off, I have no idea in the world why you would want to talk about an FE where you cut scvs...

On July 13 2011 04:07 Diabolegal wrote:


It's not a "base" until there's...you know...a Command Center there. Furthermore, even if the scouting worker dies, the opponent can just send another one to the nat or along the attack path to wait for you to leave. This build is really easy to scout. Sorry broski.

On July 13 2011 03:38 tuestresfat wrote:

Are you actually that dumb or you just never learned to read.

I was going to write a reply elaborating what I meant, but reading the rest of your posts in this thread I can see you're just an arrogant and ignorant Plat player and you aren't worth my time.

It's idiots like you that bring down the standard we try and set at the strategy forums. If you don't like the standards here or simply can't understand it, don't read and don't post.

On July 13 2011 04:19 Diabolegal wrote:


I like how you imply that my logical, fact-based posts are uninformed even though your posts have been nothing but diatribes and rebukes. Saying "______ doesn't know what he's talking about" and hurling insults degrades community standards more than anything I ever said.

You're obviously just a high school internet warrior who's not worth any more of my time. Enjoy your summer vacation, kid. Now, let your big brother back on his computer.

hurling insults degrades community standards more than anything I ever said.

You're obviously just a high school internet warrior who's not worth any more of my time. Enjoy your summer vacation, kid. Now, let your big brother back on his computer.

On July 13 2011 04:59 Diabolegal wrote:
@ Geiko: I'm going to stop wasting my time with your build order.
@ tuestresfat: Good idea. You should definitely use this on Shakuras in a bo3. I, however, will stop feeding the trolls.

Dual wielding.

On July 13 2011 05:59 wklbishop wrote:


Dude... the guy made it to High Masters with this build and defeated well-known Grandmasters (not once but twice with different accounts) which means he has some practical experience whereas you and a lot of other players are just doing theorycrafting from what I can see.

I've read this thread from day 1 honestly and I am sick and tired of lower-ranked players insulting the guy. People need to really give the guy some respect for giving out this build which while not a good build to do all the time, a good build to add to your repertoire and pull out here and there.

On July 13 2011 06:16 Diabolegal wrote:


CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.

On July 13 2011 05:49 barrykp wrote:




Maybe you should practise what you preach hmm.

I think you misunderstood what was said about expanding btw - I think they were trying to say that the low ground wall off alone isn't enough to determine that it's cheese because someone could build an expansion behind it instead of cutting SCVs and using the call down.

Any time I've seen the low ground wall off in game I immediately prepare for the cheese. I think it is possible like you say to hang around with a scout to see when he moves out even if you have to keep a little bit of a safe distance. A marine or two outside his wall isn't enough to keep you so far away that you don't know pretty soon when he's moved out.

On July 13 2011 06:16 Diabolegal wrote:


CombatEX and RatzDeezer made it to high Grandmasters b/c of the cannon rush and proxy warpgate and stargate. By your rationale, we have no right to rebut anything they have to say about SC2 b/c they're ranked higher than us even though they're horrible players with cheesy builds. I'm sick of people making the fallacy of authority, but it's easier to attack someone's credibility than to address his argument.

On July 13 2011 06:39 Supamang wrote:

No man. Dont call out logical fallacies that were not being used. His point was NOT that you dont have the right to criticize a build because of the person proposing it, his point was that you cant say this build doesnt work when there are many replays in the OP that clearly show that it does work. And it works against GM players

If you truly do value logical discussion, you will see and admit that the people you are arguing against are right and that you are wrong. Your theorycrafting is great, but you cant theorycraft and say a build doesnt work when people have actually used it and made it work