[G] (T) 3 racks : Cheesing your way to GM league - Page 51

On July 09 2011 04:22 WWJDD wrote:
I'm going to ride this baby to 1000 wins even if I lose a bunch, it might still take me less time.

On July 09 2011 04:31 Geiko wrote:
Do I get TL achievement points for that or what ?

On July 09 2011 04:27 tuestresfat wrote:

i can't believe you actually gave geiko his 1000th post. -.-'

On July 09 2011 14:16 jib117 wrote:


i can't believe you actually gave geiko his 1001st post.

On July 09 2011 13:00 Diabolegal wrote:
A wall off at the bottom of the ramp is a dead giveaway that Terran is going all-in or doing some proxy shenanigans. Then it's as easy as building a wall with a bunker and auto-repairing the hell out of it.

On July 09 2011 16:43 Geiko wrote:


I can't believe you actually gave me your first post.

@poster two above : This has been talked about before, you can wall off bottom and do some completely different build. In particular on a map like shakuras plateau for example.

@poster a couple more above : This is to my knowledge the most efficient cheese to protrait farm with (without resorting to sinking your acount's MMR), good luck on those 1000 wins, you're gonna ned a lot of patience.

On July 10 2011 02:44 TerraTron wrote:


Thats why after you wall-off like that you can take a chance and fast expand because the enemy thinks he knows what you're doing, works against other races too.

On July 12 2011 08:46 Diabolegal wrote:


Wrong. Upon seeing a wall at the bottom of the ramp, a smart player will have a worker watching the natural to see when you leave with your SCVs and Marines so he can get into position for the all-in attack. He'll always know what you're doing.

Furthermore, you can't take a fast expansion when this build cuts SCVs at 12, burns the first round of Orbital Command energy on Calldown Supply instead of a MULE, and diverts all remaining minerals to Marines and depots. It'll take quite a while to afford a CC and catch up on SCVs, making the fast expansion unfeasible with this build order.

On July 12 2011 08:54 DuckS wrote:


i read your post then read your quote, it all makes sense. a decent t will scoot out with his marine and attempt to snipe/snipe the probe. also, why the hell would you follow this build down to the T to fe..? i have a lot of room here to be rude, but i'll choose not to be. supply depot and rax go down standard time and probe is blocked out from main unless if it's a close spawn 9 scout by the toss. otherwise he really has no idea what's going on, it's called abusing the metagame. from here the t would prepare to expand while the toss prepares for a super aggressive mass marine scv all in. you aren't really ever sure what's gonna happen and im surprised i dont see this abused by t a lot more..

On July 12 2011 08:54 DuckS wrote:


i read your post then read your quote, it all makes sense. a decent t will scoot out with his marine and attempt to snipe/snipe the probe. also, why the hell would you follow this build down to the T to fe..? i have a lot of room here to be rude, but i'll choose not to be. supply depot and rax go down standard time and probe is blocked out from main unless if it's a close spawn 9 scout by the toss. otherwise he really has no idea what's going on, it's called abusing the metagame. from here the t would prepare to expand while the toss prepares for a super aggressive mass marine scv all in. you aren't really ever sure what's gonna happen and im surprised i dont see this abused by t a lot more..

On July 12 2011 08:54 DuckS wrote:


i read your post then read your quote, it all makes sense. a decent t will scoot out with his marine and attempt to snipe/snipe the probe. also, why the hell would you follow this build down to the T to fe..? i have a lot of room here to be rude, but i'll choose not to be. supply depot and rax go down standard time and probe is blocked out from main unless if it's a close spawn 9 scout by the toss. otherwise he really has no idea what's going on, it's called abusing the metagame. from here the t would prepare to expand while the toss prepares for a super aggressive mass marine scv all in. you aren't really ever sure what's gonna happen and im surprised i dont see this abused by t a lot more..

On July 13 2011 01:29 Diabolegal wrote:


Thanks. My post and quote do make sense. Your reply, however, does not.

Workers move faster than Marines, so P's scouting worker can run up to the ramp, see the wall, see the Marine, then run away safely. Assuming an SCV all-in, P will send the worker back to the expo to see when T is leaving, but in doing so, it can also see whether T has expanded. In case you haven't noticed, the exit and the nat are in the same place. If T kills the worker, P can simply send another one, in which case T's expo will be up or there will be a billion Marines waiting to greet him. Either way, T is exposed. The same logic applies if you simply wall off with a 10 Depot and 12 Rax and ditch the rest of the build order. It's called "basic worker scouting." As I explained in my reply, you're not feinting shit.

Why don't you see this abused by T a lot more? Because what you call "metagame abuse" is really just a bad magic trick that your drunk uncle does at a party: he thinks he's fooling everybody, but they can easily tell what he's doing.

On July 12 2011 12:47 tuestresfat wrote:
^Giving up a supply depot to be up a base in TvP, sounds worth it to me.

And lol at the guy (not you) who clearly as no idea what he's talking about