EPT[G] [D] Zerg Mineral Saturation - Page 7
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TzTz
Germany511 Posts
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NgrySqrrl
Canada36 Posts
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Railxp
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lorkac
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On May 06 2011 08:41 saxonhamish wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 01:11 Saracen wrote: Thanks for posting dood!  EDIT: Wow this is a pretty sick post thanks for sharing. A few points:
Anways, thanks for bringing up this topic. It's definitely not covered enough given how important it is to consider, especially as a Zerg player. Saracen why are you a mod? You bash perfectly good threads and then you wanna suck this guys dick who makes a rambling, theorycrafted, poorly written garbage thread. This guide is full of mis-information and very very basic stuff. "when the Terran take scv's off gas you can be fairly certain he isn't making banshees or tanks" LOL REALLY THANKS FOR THAT KNOWLEDGE. And I'm pretty sure zerg would have a hard time just parking an ovie at the gas to constantly watch it without it being sniped down. And I can think of plenty of 4 gas 2 base terran all ins. And WTF is up with the - if you spawn close positions you should 6pool. I hope that's a joke. The basics I got from this article were simply the basics of macro zerg style: - You want more workers than your opponent - Don't overdrone or you can be killed - Rush distance plays a part in how aggressively you can drone Nothing new was learned here by anyone above platinum league to be honest. Also I personally believe that trying to play in this "Idra/Macro Style/Stay ahead in drones and 1 production cycle behind your opponent" is not very good for bronze-platinum players because without good game savy and understanding (that they don't have at that level) they will fuck it up very often and be killed by anyone that does any sort of optimal timing attack. Also the Saracen reply is almost as terrible as the original post. A Mule is ~ 4 SCV's. The OP highlights the importance of having a certain level of saturation/drones based of the distance from your enemy. Not "the importance to always expand as a zerg". If a Terran 1 bases, taking a 3rd would contradict what the OP is saying you should do. And the Bronze Zergs flock to this thread thinking its literary gold. Sorry it's not. Move along. User was temp banned for this post. I don't know if I should respond to this because you're banned anyways, but: 1. What "perfectly good" threads do I "bash?" What threads better than this one do I "bash?" Name one. 2. How on earth is this thread theorycrafted at all? It contains information pertinent to real in-game situations. It doesn't get less theorycrafty than this. 3. On some maps, like Shattered Temple and Metalopolis, it's very possible to have an overlord watching when he takes his gas. And knowing his gas timings is an incredibly important part of scouting. I don't know why you're arguing this. 4. Ok, name one good 2base 4gas Terran allin that hits at a timing that matters. 5. He means if the rush distance is pretty much zero, you might as well 6pool. Of course he's not advocating that you 6pool if you get close spawns - especially when you consider you don't know whether or not you're close spawns or not when you're committing to the 6pool. Seriously, use some common sense. 6. If that's all you got from the thread, you need to work on your reading comprehension. 7. No, I'm pretty sure it's just you who hasn't learned anything from reading this thread. 8. So you're saying that every strategy thread has to cater to bronze-platinum players? God I hope that's not the case. 9. My bad on the MULE = 6 SCVs part. As you can see from my post, I wasn't sure, which is why I was asking? 10. Since the OP didn't highlight the "importance of expanding" part, I added it. Hence why I included it in "a few points." You'll notice that the OP didn't really go over any of the points I mentioned, which is why I mentioned them in the first place... 11. What I said about expanding is pretty much common sense. Why have 60 drones, 30 on minerals at each of 2 bases, when for 300 more minerals you could have 20 on minerals at each of 3 bases and an extra production facility that you'll definitely be needing at that point? 12. 1 base Terran vs 3 base Zerg has absolutely nothing to do with this. When did I say you blindly produce 60 drones? Hint: I didn't. However, if you see your opponent FEing, you have no reason not to start droning your ass off. And you can even go all the way to 60 or more if you know he's not doing a 2base all in. 13. So yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. Please refrain from posting in the future if you're going to continue making such useless, misleading posts. | ||
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JonmNOR
Norway5 Posts
Wish I had known such details about overdroning while playing zerg in season 1 Great advice for beginners like me. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Why did I never thought of counting enemy workers? + Show Spoiler + Because I am a Silver nub, but luckily I know the TL forums. If I ever manage to get to Gold league, I will give all credit to you ♥ | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
I noticed from watching my own replays against zerg that i beat a lot of them just because the droned too hard. Some of them i just straight cant keep up with on the army count even when staying on even bases. Now i know why, and also what to look out for together with army compostion when scouting. Really loved this thread. Even as a terran player i learned a shit load from this one thread. Thank you for sharing. You sir have helped more people than you think | ||
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DocNemesis
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Kuv
United Kingdom41 Posts
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
@saracen -- Lol at the guy trying to troll you! | ||
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Dankbeer
United States61 Posts
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oDDable
United States54 Posts
Awesome content, never thought economy that way. | ||
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Count9
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
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Violatedcow
Canada6 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + (As I’m writing this something hilarious is happening next to me. There is this little old lady with her hair dyed orange and a regular library worker trying to help her. She is having problems on the library computer she can’t get on her mail ID. It is a yahoo mail account. She is telling the worker that the library computers are not allowing her onto her mail ID. She expects this worker to know HER password and to know her ACCOUNT. She KEEPS telling him “nono I have it all written down here”. She thinks it’s HIS fault that she doesn’t remember her password correctly. It is rather hilarious lol (Also upon re-reading somewhat mean). This has been going on for like 3 minutes in that lovely recorder sort of setting. She says the same thing and he replies No I do not know how to get on this, it is your personal account not the libraries and she simply states “see I have the password written down right here, but I can’t get on. LOL its great!) I just want to say I do AppleCare (take calls from morons and help them fix their Mac stuff). And this happens to me on a daily basis. I still find it funny 100% of the time after the fact, but during its always so hard to explain to people ONLY YAHOO and YOU should have this information. Also found it quite knowledgeable. As a gold 1v1 player and plat 2v2 I find myself over droning in a number of my losses. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
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sick_transit
United States195 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On topic, Sheth's post is a real gold mine of information for lower level players. A lot of this info is typically learned by tons experience and carefully examining replays. The ZvP info on how to read your opponent early game is vital for lower league players who experience a lot of 4Gating, DT's, or early Stargate shenanigans. This is the info that no one gives out for some reason, I really never understood why. | ||
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