EPT[D] Ravens versus Broodlords - Page 9
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Xanthus
United States9 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:36 Lurk wrote: In a typical TvZ you will most likely face lings, blings, roaches, infestors, mutas and broodlords, maybe ultras. Vikings are not the most effective unit against most of those, but they are certainly not "useless". I don't see ravens being more effective than vikings against any of those units. I'd rather have a dozen landed vikings than a dozen ravens in most situations. Until they somehow fix the seeker missile, you'll probably only see ravens for pdd timing pushes and detection. Don't forget that those extra ravens you get seriously cut into your tank count. never used mass ravens before did you?(like 6 or7 of them) ravens are really seful, turrets may not have so much dps, but they have 150 hp, and block banelings, you can harass heavily a expo and if mutas come around, you just run away putting some PDD's while you marines isn't around. Also, this force zerg to move around the map, and 0/3 turrets isn't something easy to deal with just ling and mutas. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
I wonder if PDD will also kill broodlings spawned from a dead building. | ||
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Elvin
149 Posts
Your focus should be stay both you and zerg on low food cap ,since MMM is not really good when big food caps kicks in. | ||
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manicshock
Canada741 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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gREIFOCs
Argentina208 Posts
On March 28 2011 17:35 Lurk wrote: The thing is, vikings can be build reactionary, ravens (at least with pdd ready) can not. I usually have 2-3 starports ready by the time i expect broodlords, but i won't build vikings until i see corruptors or broodlords on the battlefield. Vikings can be out in numbers fast enough to react to the broodlord threat. If i rely on raven's pdd though, i have to build them before i see broodlords. Since PDD costs 100 energy, and a raven also takes longer to build than a viking, it will take some time until i have actual pdd's ready. And even then, i will still need units to actually kill the BLs (granted, you can do it with thors or marines which you should have but still ...). It's still a nice find and it might be really good if you use ravens anyway. I will keep relying on my vikings though. I do not understand how terrans manage to get surprised by broodlords. Once you spot a Hive, just check the spire. It takes a little less than five years to get the greater spire. It takes corruptors to make broodlords. And then again, a bunch of seconds for them to morph. Is without doubt the hardest unit to get in starcraft. | ||
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sUxiii
Switzerland25 Posts
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Albrithe
Canada187 Posts
On March 29 2011 02:14 Treemonkeys wrote: Damn I had no idea ravens could do this, seems like on open terrain a couple ravens + marines would rape brood lords, and even if you still need vikings you will take much less damage while the vikings kill the blords. Why not get a couple ravens earlier to deny creep without wasting scans, and then you're already prepared for the switch to brood lords if it happens. I wonder if PDD will also kill broodlings spawned from a dead building. I really like the statement I bolded for you. Also, the broodlings that spawn after a building dies are not projectiles. It would be pretty silly if the PDD killed them. edit: lol messed up bolding text... nothing to see here folks. | ||
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Lurk
Germany359 Posts
On March 29 2011 02:41 gREIFOCs wrote: I do not understand how terrans manage to get surprised by broodlords. Once you spot a Hive, just check the spire. It takes a little less than five years to get the greater spire. It takes corruptors to make broodlords. And then again, a bunch of seconds for them to morph. Is without doubt the hardest unit to get in starcraft. As i said, i'll have starports ready by the time broodlords are due. I won't build vikings though - why ? There are those amongst the swarm that love to fool the terrans by building a greater spire and never getting broodlords. The terran will get lots of vikings to combat what will never come and be roflstomped by ultralisks. This is not my imagination but happens quite often at high level play. See fruitdealer GSL1 finals for example. Also, getting vikings why you actually see broodlords is usually fast enough. Vikings get produced quite fast and broodlords are really slow. | ||
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LiamTheZerg
United States523 Posts
On March 28 2011 23:58 CustomKal wrote: That combo is also a min of 150 gas per ghost and 200 per raven, not a very balanced army in value. A fully raven army is even more, but vikings themself aren't cheap and aren't great against anything other than air and harassing mineral lines, at least with the Ghosts you can cloak later on, emp infestors, or even snipe again. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:23 LiamTheZerg wrote: A fully raven army is even more, but vikings themself aren't cheap and aren't great against anything other than air and harassing mineral lines, at least with the Ghosts you can cloak later on, emp infestors, or even snipe again. it takes 5 snipes to kill a broodlord. the thing about cutting so deep into your gas is if someone is going raven ghost just to stop broodlords you can probably keep the fight on the ground because he will have no tanks. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:29 mahnini wrote: it takes 5 snipes to kill a broodlord. the thing about cutting so deep into your gas is if someone is going raven ghost just to stop broodlords you can probably keep the fight on the ground because he will have no tanks. Yeah, but if you force enough Ravens or they have good enough ghost micro, Terran can still win except they get additional points for style. Its not the same as Vikings as vikings are much more one note. You can HSM baneling blobs and turret spam a zerg who failed a BL transition or you can be Beta Jinro and be able to split marines 3 ways and snipe every baneling, muta, and ultralisk with ghosts. | ||
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Lurk
Germany359 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:29 mahnini wrote: it takes 5 snipes to kill a broodlord. the thing about cutting so deep into your gas is if someone is going raven ghost just to stop broodlords you can probably keep the fight on the ground because he will have no tanks. It's 6, actually. Zerg units regenerate 1 hp the instant they take damage. That means they effectively have +1 hitpoints, unless you oneshot them. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On March 29 2011 03:33 Antisocialmunky wrote: Yeah, but if you force enough Ravens or they have good enough ghost micro, Terran can still win except they get additional points for style. Its not the same as Vikings as vikings are much more one note. You can HSM baneling blobs and turret spam a zerg who failed a BL transition or you can be Beta Jinro and be able to split marines 3 ways and snipe every baneling, muta, and ultralisk with ghosts. yeah, i definitely like the ravens rather than viking approach because ravens have utility throughout the game but it's probably better to pick either ghosts or ravens and not both. On March 29 2011 03:39 Lurk wrote: It's 6, actually. Zerg units regenerate 1 hp the instant they take damage. That means they effectively have +1 hitpoints, unless you oneshot them. oh, right. 150 energy to kill one bl. | ||
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Aui_2000
Canada435 Posts
Thats actually really cool and auto turrets are also ridiculously good against mutas/screwing up pathing + ravens save scans. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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DemiAlbedo
Canada69 Posts
I felt the raven was more of an annoyance then anything. The Terran could not push my broodlords with marines because I had banelings sitting behind them so it appeared to boil down to me just waiting for the ravens to run out of energy. The Terran had vikings, but he was not able to get a substantial amount to cause problems for me. Well the PDD was delaying my push I knew immediately "You invested in Ravens instead of vikings. . .overseer time". I literally crippled viking production because I didn't need more broods because PDD was stalling me, don't need more corrupter's because he invested the gas into Ravens and the few corrupters I had could easily take his few vikings. Didn't need more blings because his marines couldn't push me (at that particular moment). So I decided to just mass overseer after watching mr.bitters training with Spanishiwa and just stalled the viking production. By time everything was said and done I won, but it was a very interesting match up. I think if the Terran had invested in the Ravens earlier in the game and when he saw me morphing the greater spire made viking instead I would have been in trouble. | ||
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sylace
United States18 Posts
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branflakes14
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