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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
I'd really love to use ravens more, i really do. I just don't see how. Just think about it - out of all the abilites in the game, there are only 3 that cost more than 75 energy - and 2 of those are raven abilities (pdd - 100, seeker missile - 125). And on top of that, the raven is also the most expensive caster in the game. hallucinate, Vortex, Mass recall, PDD, Seeker missile & Neural parasite. Or at least those are the ones i remember.  | ||
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chickensnack
United States21 Posts
Either PDD is suppose to include broodlords entirely or broodlords are immune. Right its more like a loophole than an actual change that we should be relying on. | ||
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dSoda
United States122 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
Whether or not it will be classified as a 'feature', i don't know. It should be that it lets the broodling land but doesn't negate the projectile. Or neither, or both... So strange that it lets the damage through. Anyway if Z has no mutas or hydras then it's probably worth it but I thought most zergs were keeping mutas around to help defend the broods and maintain map control. Or queens in the back to transfuse BL's. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35158 Posts
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Ezekyle
Australia607 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:37 darkscream wrote: The OP says PDD stops corruptor attacks, I'm fairly certain it doesn't (corruptors and infested terrans being the only Zerg units who can shoot down PDD from the air) It does. I recently won a TvZ with raven/battlecruiser by using PDDs to render the battlecruisers immune to all my opponent's anti-air. | ||
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On April 09 2011 06:44 Ezekyle wrote: It does. I recently won a TvZ with raven/battlecruiser by using PDDs to render the battlecruisers immune to all my opponent's anti-air. Do you mean broodlords? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Do you mean corruptors? | ||
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Spiders
United States86 Posts
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UpHeaVaL
Canada57 Posts
No, he means battlecruisers... | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Also, if you use alot of PDDs to stop the corrupters then maybe a good transition into late game would be to go for MMMR Battlecruisers? Battlecruisers are very good against Mutalisks and if PDD stops the corrupters it gives your BCs free reign over the skies. | ||
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CodECleaR
United States395 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On April 09 2011 04:30 chickensnack wrote: I'm fairly certain its bugged. The PDD will stop broodlings from landing on the ground when attacking UNITS but does not stop the base damage the broodlord does. PDD doesn't even affect the broodlord/broodling at all if the attack is against a building structure. Either PDD is suppose to include broodlords entirely or broodlords are immune. Right its more like a loophole than an actual change that we should be relying on. I second this. Whether or not they intend for the PDD to stop Broodlings it's clearly not working correctly. | ||
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mind0killer
United States26 Posts
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
On April 09 2011 10:03 CodECleaR wrote: :O I'm honestly curious on how you stumbled across this. Corruptors and Brood Lords often go hand in hand. PDD against Corruptors is nothing new, so mostly likely in a TvZ a PDD and a Brood Lord managed to survive when no Corruptors were around. Brood Lord tried to fire on a ground and the PDD stepped in. Although interesting, I feel it's a bug (and I play Terran) as the Broodling, although technically a projectile, is also a unit, albeit temporary. I'd rather see the PDD stop the initial damage from the Brood Lord (the 20 dmg hit) but let the Broodling itself stay alive and do its thing. That way the projectile itself and the damage it applies is stopped (which is what the PDD does) but the Broodling itself is unharmed. More likely though is that Broodlings will be excepted from the PDD list, which is fine too. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
But, herein lies the problem in Raven use: Viking - 150 mins, 75 gas, 42 sec buildtime, can be reactored Raven- 100 mins, 200 gas, 60 sec buildtime, requires techlab 1. Gas is usually the bottleneck for Terrans 2. You usually already have a Starport with a reactor for medivac production Due to this, if you are playing a build that relies on bio it is hard to squeeze out a Raven unless you open Banshees, and even then the 200 gas is a heavy investment, because you do need to transition quickly out of Banshees after they outlive their peak usefullness. Furthermore, getting a Raven right after banshees is very situational based on what the zerg is doing. Unless he is going heavy Hydra (rare) it isn't going be super effective that early in the game. By the time Zerg gets broodlords you usually have the infrastructure to produce a good amount of vikings quick, which with proper positioning are very effective vs broods. Depending on the Zergs army comp that late in the game, the PDD also has the potential to not do much because of how many projectiles are in the air at the same time. That being said, I think it would be interesting to see if Ravens can be worked into some mech builds. Due to not needing medivacs I do see some potential there. Then again for a mech build 200 gas is still an investment, as that could mean an extra thor, but due to the versatility of Ravens it could be worth it. You can't just look at one unit, you have to look at the consequences of getting that unit. At high levels where everything matters this is even more important. It is hard to fit Ravens into most terran builds, it is also dangerous to rely on them, as if the zerg picks it off, or you mismicro your Raven, it could cost you the game. Multiple Ravens can counteract this, but are a huge investment, as you now are dedicating Starports and a hefty amout of gas to raven production, Starports that could be used for medivacs/vikings, and gas that could be used for upgrades. Ravens have the potential to be the best caster for controlling space, with PDD and HSM. Unfortunately the consequences of actually getting them being too high coupled with the cost of their abilities make it not worth it in most cases. | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
3-3 Marines Stutter micro'd into broodlords can take em out rather quickly. you have to make to stutter in order to deal with the broodlings on the ground already. You also need a large ball of marines. But i've taken out 8 broodlords with a group of about 30 marines and 3 vikings. | ||
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Tvk
Latvia62 Posts
But i find pdd abuse makes broodlords even more useless :/// | ||
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