[G] PvT 3 Gate Aggressive Expo - Page 11

On April 25 2011 12:59 Soulglider wrote:
Can anyone offer some new replays of this build vs various Terran openings? I've been having a lot of problems vs more aggressive openings, like 3 - 4 rax builds where they come out before I have a chance to warp in enough units to contain them at the ramp.

What time am I supposed to arrive at the Terran base? Many games I'll arrive at the Terran nat and he'll already have 2 bunkers in construction and nearly done. Am I late, or should I not be worried about these 2 bunkers? Should I still push in?

What adjustments (if any) do you make vs 2 rax? Or should I have no problems containing him with the 3 gate?

On April 25 2011 13:11 galzohar wrote:
As long as enough of his army is up the ramp you can easily annihilate anything that is down at the natural. However with 3-4 rax and bunkers I think you're supposed to have your expansion way before his anyway and thus still gain the economic advantage? And if he goes aggressive 3-4 rax, I'm guessing the whole point of this is that 3 gate can deal with it defensively, no?

On April 26 2011 03:51 galzohar wrote:
Against 2-3 rax do you actually make it with enough sentries to their ramp before they have enough to safely move down?

On April 26 2011 03:58 CecilSunkure wrote:

Well since the OP says you'll have about 5 sentries, and you need 4 to infinitely contain, I'd say yes you do.

On April 26 2011 04:03 Anihc wrote:


I believe you need 6 sentries to infinitely FF a ramp, no?

On April 26 2011 04:23 Anihc wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's 6, here's some math:

(FF cost)/(FF length) = (# sentries)/(rate of energy recovery)
(50 energy)/(15 seconds) = (# sentries)/(0.5625 energy/second)
# sentries = 6

It works with less because you start with some energy build up already. Also you shouldn't trust casters, they often spout out a lot of incorrect information :p

I know that 1 is really all you need, but like you said, that only works at higher levels because you can keep your eye on the ramp/minimap and your opponent is probably not going to risk stimming and running down.

On April 26 2011 04:23 ForTheDr3am wrote:
The original question from galzohar on the other side wasn't related to the Sentry count directly, I believe he wanted to know whether you have enough units in total to combat a T who is waiting with his units on the bottom of his ramp before you arrive there. I believe it is yes, but I am not sure and if it wasn't the question he intended, I will ask it instead.

On April 26 2011 06:30 Axel.Bowex wrote:
Cecil, I've been playing around with this build, and I find that cutting probes at 24/25 (Zealot + Sentry included in supply) gives you a perfect timing.

24/25 cut probes get 2 gates
After 2 gates resume probe production
2 Sentry Chrono boost Both

Now once the 2nd sentry is done, the warpgate just finishes.

Your thoughts?

On April 27 2011 06:12 kzn wrote:


I'd really want to see a replay of this. In extensive testing I found it impossible to do this opening without probe cuts in a way that lines up well - if you constantly produce probes at the "wait for 300 minerals for 2gate" part your gates are so late that your final sentry finishes 5-10 seconds (or more) after warpgate research finishes.

[edit] I could see it lining up maybe if you didn't chrono Warpgate Research at all, though

On April 28 2011 09:43 Gradius wrote:
So what will happen to this build if the PTR changes go through? This is such a good build.