EPTOn March 08 2011 15:53 chuigo wrote:
This has been happening since Beta?
This has been happening since Beta?
Baneling drops have yes.
I'm just putting follow current selection into a situation that I find it useful when multitasking drops.
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
Baneling drops have yes. I'm just putting follow current selection into a situation that I find it useful when multitasking drops. | ||
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B34ST
United Kingdom150 Posts
I think I have an idea of what your explaining but I can't be sure. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Is it more efficient than the currently accepted method? Is it practical? To me, the answer to both is no. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
Anyone with good APM will just click on the minimap. It's probably way faster. At lower APM, you can hotkey each group of overlord or you can also hotkey the location of the mineral lines. The idea is nice, but I don't think it has any interest for banneling drops. I doubt it will really be used, but the method works larvae, it has some advantages and drawbacks over other existing methods: Pro: - skip hatches without queens - only 1 army hotkeys, no location hotkeys (it frees the hotkeys for other uses, and it's easier to set up) Con: - camera is centered on the queen (and not the hatch) - need to click twice (on the hatch for inject, then on the queen for deselecting) | ||
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Jayrod
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
This sounds like some weird multitasking helper. I don't know how useful this would be, but ehh. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
I am simply sharing my findings. I am slowly understanding this new toggle, and the combination it can be used in. | ||
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
On March 08 2011 15:33 ChefStarCraft wrote: I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%. I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. Why should i have to sit here and take that ? Your picking apart of my steps is simply re wording it, my wording was fine. Your not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid. As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post. I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means. My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude. Referring to this line and your whole post:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.", Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. you sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that. That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized. I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the problem. Again, it was late. And I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important. I feel Its ridiculous enough, to have to defend my good name from this rubbish, when sharing and talking about ideas with the public. On to the threads purpose. Step 1: Create Control group of overlords Step 2: Position overlords Step 3: Press follow current selection Step:4: Press control group of ovys Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded. Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again* Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior) Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group. Your wording was not fine, I, for one, had absolutely no idea what you were talking about till he translated it. He gave you some advice and tried to help and you got hostile instantly cause he's ruining your "good name". Well, "good names" tend to be ruined more when you get all defensive and attack someone who's trying to help you. The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible. | ||
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Isomer
United States186 Posts
My Critique: OP, I don't see why we can't either 1) click the mini map or 2) make 2 control groups. It seems to me that most zerg players, even pros, do not use 10 hotkeys. They could use the uncommonly used 8 and 9 keys, for instance, for these overlords. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
Baneling drops: Trick to save hotkey space, and get more fluid control when baneling bombing with multiple groups of overlords simultaneously The camera focus priority for a group of units, when pressing focus on unit / follow unit / double tap hotkey is such that it zooms to the area with the highest concentration of units (if you have 5 overlords in one hotkey, and 3 of them in one area of the map and 2 in the other, any of the three mentioned camera controls will zoom you to group of 3 overlords always. We use this behavior to our advantage by deselecting overlords on the current screen and then pressing focus/ follow unit in order to jump to the other group of overlords. 1) take a hotkey group of overlords, and split them into two or more different locations on the map. 2) double tapp the hotkey to get randomly focused on one group 3) command all overlords to move to mineral line, 4) micro: do the "drop while moving" command to each overlord of currently zoomed group by doing D-click on the overlord themselves 5) deselect a few overlords in the current screen (do NOT deselect from the wireframes!) 6) press the follow camera button, which will zoom you to the other group (b/c that group is the majority in your current selection) 7) micro: do the D-click on the other group of overlords as well. 8) if you have 3 or more groups, repeat steps 5 - 7 to go to the next group (if you think about how the priority works, it will be plain to see why you can do this for infinite number of clusters of units in different areas on the map, not just 2 clusters or 3) + Show Spoiler + OP's explanation critique 1) "zone" is a confusing word. use focus, or zoom, or camera center. zone does not register to most ppl, it certainly didn't for me. 2) you need to specify to deselect them from the main screen, not the wireframes. wireframes will result in a probabilistic outcome. deselecting on the main screen is 100% guaranteed. and if you do #3, the reader will know why: 3) start off by explaining the principle first. "when you have more units in an area, the priority for focusing camera goes to them" #3 not only lets the reader "figure it out for himself", by giving him the principle rather than having to extract it after reading the seemingly unrelated list of instructions... but it answers the implicit question about "does it have to be EVEN numbers?" - btw, it doens't have to be even numbers, you say so b/c you assume you'll only deselect once. nothing stopping someone from splitting a big ball into two big chunks of units, and then deselecting a bunch of them to be sure to jump to the other screen. The even number condition is restrictive and people will object taht that's too painstaking... when in fact it's not even a real prerequisite to doing this trick. 4) drop a few words explaining the reasoning when you can do it concisely, rather than a pure "what" without the "why" 5) your 3rd explanation can't end with deselect...... you're done after you zoom to the other group, and micro them as well. but good find for the trick. im using it. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On March 09 2011 07:23 King of Blades wrote: Your wording was not fine, I, for one, had absolutely no idea what you were talking about till he translated it. He gave you some advice and tried to help and you got hostile instantly cause he's ruining your "good name". Well, "good names" tend to be ruined more when you get all defensive and attack someone who's trying to help you. The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible. My wording was in fact fine. It was no different then from what he posted, His post was not necessary. He was stating something and insulting me over a matter I already explained. I will re explain it to you. I haven't put my full attention into this thread yet, and haven't 100% organized it, let it be said that its not 100% complete. That dosent mean that the message dosent get delivered I got defensive because he insulted my grammar, when in fact its not as horrible as he states. He makes it sound like its completely unreadable and as if a 2 year old had written it. I just don't take kindly to people talking down to me, or insulting me. The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible. It can be done at a reasonable speed and can be feasible in play. Just because its not in your play dosent make it not feasible. I also specifically requested not to fill up this thread with nonsense and arguments. This is the end of it. If you feel you have something to say pm me. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On March 09 2011 07:31 waffling1 wrote: explained 3 times in OP and all of them suck. communication fail. Is that so? I don't see how it can get any clearer then this Dulled down version: Step 1: Create Control group of overlords Step 2: Position overlords near mineral lines Step 3: Press follow current selection Step:4: Press control group of ovys Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded. Step 6: *Press the overlords control group* Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another until it works.) I had written the post in a way for you to follow step by step, while executing it in game. The people who had trouble with understanding the steps, obviously weren't testing this as they we're reading the steps. I'm not sure what that says about there priorities, but you should always test something first before commenting, or leave a comment stating you haven't tested it yet after your post. Curing us of the ignorance that would of been commenting on something you yet to know nothing about, and the many deconstructions of my steps. There is no need for people who are smug, rude, and so quick to judge. I guarantee that 70% of the folk commenting on this haven't even read my op. Newest Edit: I am considering scraping this idea and all experiments in general, putting up with the public and there excessive eagerness to post argument prone messages is far too time consuming, stressful and ridiculous. The way I see things, I'm going out of my way to make these threads and try new things. People making inappropriate and rude comments are only going out of there way to put me down. I am only sad that this part of the community has ruined the experience for me. The other part of the community (being grateful people) is what made me want to share to begin with. | ||
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sagefreke
United States241 Posts
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On March 09 2011 08:37 sagefreke wrote: How is this faster than just using way points and using the minimap? Its not really faster or that much slower. Its just another option I discovered we can use using the toggle. Nothing more then a cool trick that I put into a game situation. | ||
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CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
As to the grammar points... the OP was a bit confusing. One of the later posts that you edited in explains it very effectively, IMO. People just expect proper formatting, punctuation, grammar, etc. when they read a guide on something as opposed to a regular forum post. That doesn't excuse the rude posts against you, but it's a pretty solid explanation of why that person typed it up in the first place. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
the as clear as it could be. one good explanation is all that's needed. don't take it as bashing. i said the wording sucks and yes it sucks. dont take it personally, i mean that as objectively as possible. and i've spend a good deal of time posting out exactly what is trippy, how to improve, as well as an example, for the sake of improving the article, and sharing what you found more effectively. it's not just me that's complaining, everyone above has been complaining. take some time to find out what other people are confused about and adjust wording in such a way that prevents it. not listening only hinders this from getting conveyed. read my spoiler and the bolded section. i know u probably have bad feelings towards me cz i didn't bother to be polite, but just copy and past the bold and see what you get. i don't mind if u do. On March 09 2011 08:44 CapnAmerica wrote: This seems nice, the only critique of it I've got is that you have to unlock your camera afterwards and it requires rebinding of a hotkey to a potentially already used key (Q for Queens from your hatchery, don't wanna accidentally build things you don't need). As to the grammar points... the OP was a bit confusing. One of the later posts that you edited in explains it very effectively, IMO. People just expect proper formatting, punctuation, grammar, etc. when they read a guide on something as opposed to a regular forum post. That doesn't excuse the rude posts against you, but it's a pretty solid explanation of why that person typed it up in the first place. personaly i dont care about the nitty details of writing. it's that the major gist is written bad. like the 3rd explanation in the OP. it ends with deselect... contradictions don't help with clarity. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On March 09 2011 08:59 waffling1 wrote: the idea is good chef. u've pretty much figured out a way to utilize the camera focusing priority. it's really a great trick. the as clear as it could be. one good explanation is all that's needed. don't take it as bashing. i said the wording sucks and yes it sucks. dont take it personally, i mean that as objectively as possible. and i've spend a good deal of time posting out exactly what is trippy, how to improve, as well as an example, for the sake of improving the article, and sharing what you found more effectively. it's not just me that's complaining, everyone above has been complaining. take some time to find out what other people are confused about and adjust wording in such a way that prevents it. not listening only hinders this from getting conveyed. read my spoiler and the bolded section. i know u probably have bad feelings towards me cz i didn't bother to be polite, but just copy and past the bold and see what you get. i don't mind if u do. personaly i dont care about the nitty details of writing. it's that the major gist is written bad. like the 3rd explanation in the OP. it ends with deselect... contradictions don't help with clarity. I hear you bro, and i have taken everything into consideration, I just feel theres a way to going about doing things in a respectful manner. it's that the major gist is written bad. - I have said and will say again, I am currently working on it, and will take some time to completely organize this whole thread. like the 3rd explanation in the OP. it ends with deselect... contradictions don't help with clarity. - My explanation is simply explaining the steps. If I can correct you it actually ends on result. | ||
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OmNomSpy
United States68 Posts
For anyone interested here is a replay with some extensive baneling bombing and even a baneling toilet :D ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-194630.jpg) | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On March 09 2011 12:42 OmNomSpy wrote: Chef's system works very well. I myself have my overlords on their own hotkey, I send them flying in while attacking with other control groups, then I hit d + overlord to begin bombing. Make sure you prioritize which overlord to click first, so if an overlord happens to be over sentries/templar you want to make sure that one drops ASAP. For anyone interested here is a replay with some extensive baneling bombing and even a baneling toilet :D Thankyou very much for this replay, That hydra drop strategy is reminiscent to machines with mrbitter on with the pros. I found this game entertaining, but for me to display it on the op you need to display the follow current selections ability to instantly switch the camera between drops on a single group of overlords. You successfully and awesomely may I say dropped allot of banelings on his army, which isn't exactly my system, but rather just a drop. If you don't mind a bit of my observer opinion: If you kept your macro going at home, you could have loaded up more units to send over for the win, or even have a nydas down for such occasions. That was still a very enjoyable game non the less, | ||
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