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Hello all, I have discovered another great follow current unit selection feature for us Zergs.
The idea is to utilize the camera focusing priority of follow current selection. This is simply a cool little trick i found while experimenting with follow current selection. I discovered that if you split a group of units, all of them on one control key into equal groups and send them both to opposite sides of the map, by activating follow current selection you can then shift+ deselect the units to travel between the 2 groups instantly.
The keys used and the keys changed:
Follow Current Unit Selection - changed to Q
Unload all - changed to D
How to change hotkeys:
You can change Follow current selection and other hotkeys by going to option> hotkeys> global>camera, It will be the second down from the base camera
I applied this feature to a baneling drop with great success.
The Execution:
These steps are meant to be followed while in game. To cut down on bs It would be nice if you try these steps before commenting.
The goal is to have 6 or 4 overlords filled with banelings, have them set to one control group.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the group of ovies that are shown and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord
Notes:
You may have to shift click more then one overlord, sometimes all of them, it depends largely on how many units are in the given control group.
Its important to have equal amounts of overlords in position, because when following a selection if you shift + click (deselect) overlords it will instantly move you to the group in that control group with more.
Result:
This will deselect that group your looking at, and will move your camera to the other group across the map, to the units that are in the same control group. Allowing you to multi-task drops, and save hotkey space.
This happens because there are more overlords in that group, so its a higher priority to follow for some reason, this is why it moves to them when you deselect a overlord when follow current selection is activated.
Why should i learn this?
I find this to be a very nice trick to utilize the camera focusing priority with follow current selection, that can save hotkey space and can be executed very fast and allows you to multi-task drops in a different way.
Simply a little trick to add to you mechanics, if you choose to use it!!
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Edit: There is still some confusion, maybe this will help explain:
An example with a different approach:
You have 1 control group of 6 overlords
You send 3 to one part of the map and 3 to another.
You activate follow current selection
*You need to press the control group*
Your now following one of those 2 groups you split across the map.
You box the overlords and move them toward the mineral line
You press the overlords control group once again
Once your finished unloading you press shift + click overlord to deselect that current group. Your Camera will move in on the other group across the map automatically,
To those having a hard time following the short term steps, please try reading them in more detail:
Step 1: Load them into the overlords and position them by the mineral lines.
Step 2: Now select their control group, split the control group so there is equal amounts of overlords and move them to the mineral lines.
Step 3: Press Follow unit selection once.(stays activated until you re tap it, or pan away)
Step 4: Press the overlords control group
Step 5: Now with all the overlords by the mineral lines, box the group your screen is moved on move them into place to bomb.
Step 6: press D (unload) and click each overlord,
Step 7: *Reselect the overlords control group*
Step 8: Press Shift and click on a overlord , this will make it so you follow the current selection with more overlords in it. Meaning, your camera will instantly move in on the other group of overlords in that control group.
*Important: You may have to shift click more then one overlord, sometimes all of them, it depends largely how many units are in the given control group.
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This is just a cool little trick i discovered, and wanted to share.
I practiced and always practice anything new in Yabot.
A big thank you to the Yabot creators. <3
I also insist on bringing overlords with your army with every engagement to spread creep.
I am sorry for my brutal realistic ways, I am actually a very nice person I just have a very low tolerance to bullsh*t. The only thing that I and anyone would ever ask, is for politeness and respect for others when posting in threads I created. I hold no name calling as just important as respect and manners. Don't say anything to someone you wouldn't be ready to have said to yourself, and think before you post. You know what I'm saying?, the same good old principles we all should have grown up on.
Edit: I have scraped all future experiments, there will be no future threads, putting up with the public and there excessive eagerness to post argument prone messages is far too time consuming, stressful and ridiculous for my tastes.
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Is there a chance to make a video of this? I'm not sure I understood it fully...
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Glad you started experimenting with baneling drops, as EVERYONE SHOULD ( looking at every hydra/roach/corruptor zerg ). This will help definitely when you're dropping on mineral lines. I didn't read the entire OP so I don't know if this is included.
But what if you say had 2 overlords far apart from eachother. And they were send seperately to different mineral lines. Could you for example when dropping from one overlord, deselect that one and hit 'follow unit' so that the camera instantly springs towards the other overlord? This would help so much with multitasking those multi-pronged drops :D.
Keep on experimenting with follow unit Chef, this will help my play a lot. If you want to practice them in real games you know where my guides are ; ) ( shameless self advertising, sorry for that ).
FOR ANYONE INTERRESTED IN WHAT 'FOLLOW UNIT DOES'
You know the thing casters do? The view that centers and follows the unit that they clicked on? Thats what follow unit does. Its a very smooth transition.
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Yeah would be nice to see a video with explanation cause I don't get too.
"Box the zoned in group of ovies" - what is that?
Well looks like I understood what you mean but I wonder if this isn't harder that just sending your overlord to drop and that's all - you don't even need a control group for that, just select ovie. I mean it's not like you are doing multiply drops all the time.^^
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On March 07 2011 18:00 lost_dm wrote:
Is there a chance to make a video of this? I'm not sure I understood it fully...
I would love to make one but i sadly don't have the software, I'm not sure how much better i can explain.
All it does is zone in on a group of units that your following instantly.
If you have one control group full of units lets say a total of 6 units.
You sent them to 2 different parts of the map.
When you activate this toggle you can shift + click one of those units, this will deselect that unit out of that group. Instantly zoning you on the other group in that same control group across the map.
I applied this to baneling drops because its a great idea when applied to it.
This should clear up the rest of the confusion
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On March 07 2011 18:08 Chaosvuistje wrote:Glad you started experimenting with baneling drops, as EVERYONE SHOULD ( looking at every hydra/roach/corruptor zerg ). This will help definitely when you're dropping on mineral lines. I didn't read the entire OP so I don't know if this is included. But what if you say had 2 overlords far apart from eachother. And they were send seperately to different mineral lines. Could you for example when dropping from one overlord, deselect that one and hit 'follow unit' so that the camera instantly springs towards the other overlord? This would help so much with multitasking those multi-pronged drops :D. Keep on experimenting with follow unit Chef, this will help my play a lot. If you want to practice them in real games you know where my guides are ; ) ( shameless self advertising, sorry for that ). FOR ANYONE INTERRESTED IN WHAT 'FOLLOW UNIT DOES'
You know the thing casters do? The view that centers and follows the unit that they clicked on? Thats what follow unit does. Its a very smooth transition.
Exactly that, but you need to Activate it first, and then deselect.
The unloading is done in between.
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It's actually really hard to understand what you mean. Not bad english, just hard to understand. If anyone can create a video tut that will be helpful.
Btw
they're = they are
there = "over there mum!"
their = "that's their food, son."
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It is quite hard to grasp the hold of,
But i'll do the best i can.
You have 1 control group of 6 overlords
You send 3 to one part of the map and 3 to another.
You activate follow current selection
*You need to press the control group*
Your now following one of those 2 groups you split across the map.
Once your finished unloading you press shift + click on a overlord.
This will deselect that group your looking at, and will zone you to the other group across the map.
Allowing you to multi-task drops.
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On March 07 2011 18:35 arbitrageur wrote:
It's actually really hard to understand what you mean. Not bad english, just hard to understand. If anyone can create a video tut that will be helpful.
Btw
they're = they are
there = "over there mum!"
their = "that's their food, son."
i apologize for my horrible grammar its pretty late.
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Haven't tested this yet but:
Say my control group 1 is a group of 6 overlords. I send 3 to north of map and 3 to east of map. I activate follow current selection. I'm not following one of those 2 groups and unload one of the overlords - then I shift click it and remove it from my control group 1. This leaves 5 of them in my selected group, my camera centred on 2 of them. Does removing all 3 overlords from the north camera (after I'm done unloading) then make the camera follow the other 3 on the east side? Or does the camera focus onto another overlord randomly, after removing the initial overlord, say instantly scrolling to the east side then back to north? How does the camera prioritize?
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On March 07 2011 18:53 Valckrie wrote:
Haven't tested this yet but:
Say my control group 1 is a group of 6 overlords. I send 3 to north of map and 3 to east of map. I activate follow current selection. I'm not following one of those 2 groups and unload one of the overlords - then I shift click it and remove it from my control group 1. This leaves 5 of them in my selected group, my camera centred on 2 of them. Does removing all 3 overlords from the north camera (after I'm done unloading) then make the camera follow the other 3 on the east side? Or does the camera focus onto another overlord randomly, after removing the initial overlord, say instantly scrolling to the east side then back to north? How does the camera prioritize?
ok one small mistake, you need to activate follow current unit selection and then tap the number you hotkeyed the overlords to. So your following the selection, unload and then shift + click to deslect the overlord, it will zone you to the group across the map.
The camera will only prioritize after re taping the control group it will issue it, allowing you to deselect a overlord and zone to the other group.
Remember you need equal amounts of groups.
I noticed i was missing this bit of information from the steps, it is now included, sorry for the confusion and inconvenience it should work fine now.
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Why couldn't you just do it in a game and upload the replay.. No software required.
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On March 07 2011 19:15 rofio wrote:
Why couldn't you just do it in a game and upload the replay.. No software required.
Ok I will attempt this.
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Ok After further and further testing it seems that you need to select the control group press follow current unit selection, box the group, unload them, re select the control group and then shift click a overlord. It should zone you to the next group of units, if the first deselected overlord dose not do this deselect another, until it works it will zone you to the other group.
I may put up a replay tomorrow.
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Im not sure I understand. What is the advantage of this over just the ordinary waypointed drop with some tapping in between to make sure you get the blings where you want them?
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I find this to be a very nice trick, that can save hotkey space and can be executed very fast and allows you to multi-task drops easier. save hotkey space, is really easy to do and synergizes well with the new Fixed backspace method.
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Please try to improve the wording, I truly have no idea what some of the steps mean, nor why this method is in anyway superior to what I'm normally doing. You don't need to keep tacking on new explanations. Just do it once properly.
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Firstly let me say that, regardless of your motivations, your determination to find and share new techniques and such is admirable. Some of your suggestions have been great. HOWEVER... your post structure, sentence structure, grammar etc are really, really awful. Abysmal. People aren't writing this on your threads because they would like it to look nice just for the sake of it, or to try to annoy you, but because they simply can't understand what you are talking about. How an idea is communicated is almost as important as the idea itself.
For example, there's no summary anywhere in your post (it should be the very first thing we read). You start with hotkeys, how to change hotkeys, and that you like doing drops... then jump straight into a (confusingly written) step-by-step guide detailing exactly how to do the thing we don't know what it is.
I suggest you have a look at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/smilies.php for how to actually do formatting, and: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195389 for a great example of a well-written post. If it's a complicated subject, a video explaining further is always great. I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.
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Onto the actual subject matter. I believe what ChefStarCraft is trying to describe is a new method of controlling a multi-pronged drop. You will be using multiple overlords all in the same control group, as opposed to the standard method using multiple hotkeys for your OLs. I'm not 100% on this (because I'm not actually confident this is what he means at all), but I'll try to summarise what I think is going on:
- Have your overlords hotkeyed into one control group, spread near their respective drop zones
- Order your overlords to move to the drop zone(s)
- Hit your overlord hotkey to select all your OLs.
- Activate the "Follow Current Selection" camera toggle. This means your camera will automatically try to center any units in your selection on the middle of your screen. Your camera should now be tracking some of your overlords
- Order your on-screen overlords to drop their cargo
- Once all overlords in this "prong" of the attack have been directed to drop, shift + click on them (on screen) to remove them from your selection
- Your screen should now automatically re-center itself to the (selected) overlords of another "prong" of your attack.
- Repeat steps #5 through #7 as desired
How useful or effective this will be I have no idea, I'm just trying to clarify what I think he might be trying to describe. It's certainly an interesting suggestion....
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On March 08 2011 01:56 Hairy wrote:Firstly let me say that, regardless of your motivations, your determination to find and share new techniques and such is admirable. Some of your suggestions have been great. HOWEVER... your post structure, sentence structure, grammar etc are really, really awful. Abysmal. People aren't writing this on your threads because they would like it to look nice just for the sake of it, or to try to annoy you, but because they simply can't understand what you are talking about. How an idea is communicated is almost as important as the idea itself. For example, there's no summary anywhere in your post (it should be the very first thing we read). You start with hotkeys, how to change hotkeys, and that you like doing drops... then jump straight into a (confusingly written) step-by-step guide detailing exactly how to do the thing we don't know what it is. I suggest you have a look at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/smilies.php for how to actually do formatting, and: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195389 for a great example of a well-written post. If it's a complicated subject, a video explaining further is always great. I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise. ------------------------------------------------------------ Onto the actual subject matter. I believe what ChefStarCraft is trying to describe is a new method of controlling a multi-pronged drop. You will be using multiple overlords all in the same control group, as opposed to the standard method using multiple hotkeys for your OLs. I'm not 100% on this (because I'm not actually confident this is what he means at all), but I'll try to summarise what I think is going on: - Have your overlords hotkeyed into one control group, spread near their respective drop zones
- Order your overlords to move to the drop zone(s)
- Hit your overlord hotkey to select all your OLs.
- Activate the "Follow Current Selection" camera toggle. This means your camera will automatically try to center any units in your selection on the middle of your screen. Your camera should now be tracking some of your overlords
- Order your on-screen overlords to drop their cargo
- Once all overlords in this "prong" of the attack have been directed to drop, shift + click on them (on screen) to remove them from your selection
- Your screen should now automatically re-center itself to the (selected) overlords of another "prong" of your attack.
- Repeat steps #5 through #7 as desired
How useful or effective this will be I have no idea, I'm just trying to clarify what I think he might be trying to describe. It's certainly an interesting suggestion....
I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%.
I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. I try to be a contributor, and respectful, your post was exactly the opposite, no matter how much thought went into wording each of your words, it dosent justify the fact that your putting me down, and making me look stupid.
Why should i have to sit here and take that ?
Your picking apart of my steps is not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid.
As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post.
I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means.
My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude.
Referring to this line and your whole post in general:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.",
Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. You sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. I will not stand by and let you feel that undeserved satisfaction. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that.
That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized.
I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the task. Again, it was late.
I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important.
I feel Its ridiculous enough to have to defend my good name from this rubbish when sharing and talking about ideas with the public.
On to the threads purpose.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior)
Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group.
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This has been happening since Beta?
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On March 08 2011 15:53 chuigo wrote:
This has been happening since Beta?
Baneling drops have yes.
I'm just putting follow current selection into a situation that I find it useful when multitasking drops.
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I'd really love a video, even if its a replay with you saying things in chat.
I think I have an idea of what your explaining but I can't be sure.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Please ask yourself the following questions
Is it more efficient than the currently accepted method?
Is it practical?
To me, the answer to both is no.
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Basically, this is a method to change the camera location among several group of overlords.
Anyone with good APM will just click on the minimap. It's probably way faster. At lower APM, you can hotkey each group of overlord or you can also hotkey the location of the mineral lines.
The idea is nice, but I don't think it has any interest for banneling drops.
I doubt it will really be used, but the method works larvae, it has some advantages and drawbacks over other existing methods:
Pro:
- skip hatches without queens
- only 1 army hotkeys, no location hotkeys (it frees the hotkeys for other uses, and it's easier to set up)
Con:
- camera is centered on the queen (and not the hatch)
- need to click twice (on the hatch for inject, then on the queen for deselecting)
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why are you using caster tools to follow overlords? you can just use D + click without locking the camera and it does the same thing
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could you provide a replay or youtube?
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Actually when you mentioned the follow current selection button I thought it was to use it to follow a specific overlord before you start trying to make it drop in order to make it easier to click...
This sounds like some weird multitasking helper. I don't know how useful this would be, but ehh.
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Whether its helpful or useful in your play, is up to you.
I am simply sharing my findings.
I am slowly understanding this new toggle, and the combination it can be used in.
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On March 08 2011 15:33 ChefStarCraft wrote:
I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%.
I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. Why should i have to sit here and take that ?
Your picking apart of my steps is simply re wording it, my wording was fine. Your not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid.
As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post.
I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means.
My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude.
Referring to this line and your whole post:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.",
Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. you sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that.
That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized.
I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the problem. Again, it was late.
And I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important.
I feel Its ridiculous enough, to have to defend my good name from this rubbish, when sharing and talking about ideas with the public.
On to the threads purpose.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior)
Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group.
Your wording was not fine, I, for one, had absolutely no idea what you were talking about till he translated it. He gave you some advice and tried to help and you got hostile instantly cause he's ruining your "good name". Well, "good names" tend to be ruined more when you get all defensive and attack someone who's trying to help you.
The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible.
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My Synopsis: OP's methodology allows you use two different groups of ovies to drop banelings on different locations really quickly. Like, say you want to drop a toss' 3rd and his main in close succession...that's what this is used for.
My Critique: OP, I don't see why we can't either 1) click the mini map or 2) make 2 control groups. It seems to me that most zerg players, even pros, do not use 10 hotkeys. They could use the uncommonly used 8 and 9 keys, for instance, for these overlords.
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explained 3 times in OP and all of them are confusing.
Baneling drops: Trick to save hotkey space, and get more fluid control when baneling bombing with multiple groups of overlords simultaneously
The camera focus priority for a group of units, when pressing focus on unit / follow unit / double tap hotkey is such that it zooms to the area with the highest concentration of units (if you have 5 overlords in one hotkey, and 3 of them in one area of the map and 2 in the other, any of the three mentioned camera controls will zoom you to group of 3 overlords always.
We use this behavior to our advantage by deselecting overlords on the current screen and then pressing focus/ follow unit in order to jump to the other group of overlords.
1) take a hotkey group of overlords, and split them into two or more different locations on the map.
2) double tapp the hotkey to get randomly focused on one group
3) command all overlords to move to mineral line,
4) micro: do the "drop while moving" command to each overlord of currently zoomed group by doing D-click on the overlord themselves
5) deselect a few overlords in the current screen (do NOT deselect from the wireframes!)
6) press the follow camera button, which will zoom you to the other group (b/c that group is the majority in your current selection)
7) micro: do the D-click on the other group of overlords as well.
8) if you have 3 or more groups, repeat steps 5 - 7 to go to the next group (if you think about how the priority works, it will be plain to see why you can do this for infinite number of clusters of units in different areas on the map, not just 2 clusters or 3)
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OP's explanation critique
1) "zone" is a confusing word. use focus, or zoom, or camera center. zone does not register to most ppl, it certainly didn't for me.
2) you need to specify to deselect them from the main screen, not the wireframes. wireframes will result in a probabilistic outcome. deselecting on the main screen is 100% guaranteed.
and if you do #3, the reader will know why:
3) start off by explaining the principle first. "when you have more units in an area, the priority for focusing camera goes to them"
#3 not only lets the reader "figure it out for himself", by giving him the principle rather than having to extract it after reading the seemingly unrelated list of instructions... but it answers the implicit question about "does it have to be EVEN numbers?"
- btw, it doens't have to be even numbers, you say so b/c you assume you'll only deselect once. nothing stopping someone from splitting a big ball into two big chunks of units, and then deselecting a bunch of them to be sure to jump to the other screen. The even number condition is restrictive and people will object taht that's too painstaking... when in fact it's not even a real prerequisite to doing this trick.
4) drop a few words explaining the reasoning when you can do it concisely, rather than a pure "what" without the "why"
5) your 3rd explanation can't end with deselect...... you're done after you zoom to the other group, and micro them as well.
but good find for the trick. im using it.
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On March 09 2011 07:23 King of Blades wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 15:33 ChefStarCraft wrote:
I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%.
I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. Why should i have to sit here and take that ?
Your picking apart of my steps is simply re wording it, my wording was fine. Your not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid.
As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post.
I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means.
My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude.
Referring to this line and your whole post:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.",
Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. you sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that.
That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized.
I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the problem. Again, it was late.
And I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important.
I feel Its ridiculous enough, to have to defend my good name from this rubbish, when sharing and talking about ideas with the public.
On to the threads purpose.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior)
Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group. Your wording was not fine, I, for one, had absolutely no idea what you were talking about till he translated it. He gave you some advice and tried to help and you got hostile instantly cause he's ruining your "good name". Well, "good names" tend to be ruined more when you get all defensive and attack someone who's trying to help you. The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible.
My wording was in fact fine. It was no different then from what he posted,
His post was not necessary. He was stating something and insulting me over a matter I already
explained. I will re explain it to you. I haven't put my full attention into this thread yet, and haven't 100% organized it, let it be said that its not 100% complete.
That dosent mean that the message dosent get delivered
I got defensive because he insulted my grammar, when in fact its not as horrible as he states.
He makes it sound like its completely unreadable and as if a 2 year old had written it. I just don't take kindly to people talking down to me, or insulting me.
The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible.
It can be done at a reasonable speed and can be feasible in play. Just because its not in your play dosent make it not feasible.
I also specifically requested not to fill up this thread with nonsense and arguments. This is the end of it. If you feel you have something to say pm me.
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On March 09 2011 07:31 waffling1 wrote:
explained 3 times in OP and all of them suck. communication fail.
Is that so?
I don't see how it can get any clearer then this
Dulled down version:
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords near mineral lines
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another until it works.)
I had written the post in a way for you to follow step by step, while executing it in game. The people who had trouble with understanding the steps, obviously weren't testing this as they we're reading the steps.
I'm not sure what that says about there priorities, but you should always test something first before commenting, or leave a comment stating you haven't tested it yet after your post. Curing us of the ignorance that would of been commenting on something you yet to know nothing about, and the many deconstructions of my steps.
There is no need for people who are smug, rude, and so quick to judge.
I guarantee that 70% of the folk commenting on this haven't even read my op.
Newest Edit: I am considering scraping this idea and all experiments in general, putting up with the public and there excessive eagerness to post argument prone messages is far too time consuming, stressful and ridiculous.
The way I see things, I'm going out of my way to make these threads and try new things.
People making inappropriate and rude comments are only going out of there way to put me down.
I am only sad that this part of the community has ruined the experience for me. The other part of the community (being grateful people) is what made me want to share to begin with.
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How is this faster than just using way points and using the minimap?
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On March 09 2011 08:37 sagefreke wrote:
How is this faster than just using way points and using the minimap?
Its not really faster or that much slower. Its just another option I discovered we can use using the toggle.
Nothing more then a cool trick that I put into a game situation.
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This seems nice, the only critique of it I've got is that you have to unlock your camera afterwards and it requires rebinding of a hotkey to a potentially already used key (Q for Queens from your hatchery, don't wanna accidentally build things you don't need).
As to the grammar points... the OP was a bit confusing. One of the later posts that you edited in explains it very effectively, IMO. People just expect proper formatting, punctuation, grammar, etc. when they read a guide on something as opposed to a regular forum post. That doesn't excuse the rude posts against you, but it's a pretty solid explanation of why that person typed it up in the first place.
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the idea is good chef. u've pretty much figured out a way to utilize the camera focusing priority. it's really a great trick.
the as clear as it could be. one good explanation is all that's needed.
don't take it as bashing. i said the wording sucks and yes it sucks. dont take it personally, i mean that as objectively as possible. and i've spend a good deal of time posting out exactly what is trippy, how to improve, as well as an example, for the sake of improving the article, and sharing what you found more effectively.
it's not just me that's complaining, everyone above has been complaining. take some time to find out what other people are confused about and adjust wording in such a way that prevents it.
not listening only hinders this from getting conveyed. read my spoiler and the bolded section.
i know u probably have bad feelings towards me cz i didn't bother to be polite, but just copy and past the bold and see what you get. i don't mind if u do.
On March 09 2011 08:44 CapnAmerica wrote:
This seems nice, the only critique of it I've got is that you have to unlock your camera afterwards and it requires rebinding of a hotkey to a potentially already used key (Q for Queens from your hatchery, don't wanna accidentally build things you don't need).
As to the grammar points... the OP was a bit confusing. One of the later posts that you edited in explains it very effectively, IMO. People just expect proper formatting, punctuation, grammar, etc. when they read a guide on something as opposed to a regular forum post. That doesn't excuse the rude posts against you, but it's a pretty solid explanation of why that person typed it up in the first place.
personaly i dont care about the nitty details of writing. it's that the major gist is written bad.
like the 3rd explanation in the OP. it ends with deselect... contradictions don't help with clarity.
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On March 09 2011 08:59 waffling1 wrote:the idea is good chef. u've pretty much figured out a way to utilize the camera focusing priority. it's really a great trick. the as clear as it could be. one good explanation is all that's needed. don't take it as bashing. i said the wording sucks and yes it sucks. dont take it personally, i mean that as objectively as possible. and i've spend a good deal of time posting out exactly what is trippy, how to improve, as well as an example, for the sake of improving the article, and sharing what you found more effectively. it's not just me that's complaining, everyone above has been complaining. take some time to find out what other people are confused about and adjust wording in such a way that prevents it. not listening only hinders this from getting conveyed. read my spoiler and the bolded section. i know u probably have bad feelings towards me cz i didn't bother to be polite, but just copy and past the bold and see what you get. i don't mind if u do. Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 08:44 CapnAmerica wrote:
This seems nice, the only critique of it I've got is that you have to unlock your camera afterwards and it requires rebinding of a hotkey to a potentially already used key (Q for Queens from your hatchery, don't wanna accidentally build things you don't need).
As to the grammar points... the OP was a bit confusing. One of the later posts that you edited in explains it very effectively, IMO. People just expect proper formatting, punctuation, grammar, etc. when they read a guide on something as opposed to a regular forum post. That doesn't excuse the rude posts against you, but it's a pretty solid explanation of why that person typed it up in the first place. personaly i dont care about the nitty details of writing. it's that the major gist is written bad. like the 3rd explanation in the OP. it ends with deselect... contradictions don't help with clarity.
I hear you bro, and i have taken everything into consideration, I just feel theres a way to going about doing things in a respectful manner.
it's that the major gist is written bad. - I have said and will say again, I am currently working on it, and will take some time to completely organize this whole thread.
like the 3rd explanation in the OP. it ends with deselect... contradictions don't help with clarity. -
My explanation is simply explaining the steps. If I can correct you it actually ends on result.
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Chef's system works very well. I myself have my overlords on their own hotkey, I send them flying in while attacking with other control groups, then I hit d + overlord to begin bombing. Make sure you prioritize which overlord to click first, so if an overlord happens to be over sentries/templar you want to make sure that one drops ASAP.
For anyone interested here is a replay with some extensive baneling bombing and even a baneling toilet :D
![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-194630.jpg)
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On March 09 2011 12:42 OmNomSpy wrote:Chef's system works very well. I myself have my overlords on their own hotkey, I send them flying in while attacking with other control groups, then I hit d + overlord to begin bombing. Make sure you prioritize which overlord to click first, so if an overlord happens to be over sentries/templar you want to make sure that one drops ASAP. For anyone interested here is a replay with some extensive baneling bombing and even a baneling toilet :D
Thankyou very much for this replay,
That hydra drop strategy is reminiscent to machines with mrbitter on with the pros.
I found this game entertaining, but for me to display it on the op you need to display the follow current selections ability to instantly switch the camera between drops on a single group of overlords. You successfully and awesomely may I say dropped allot of banelings on his army, which isn't exactly my system, but rather just a drop.
If you don't mind a bit of my observer opinion:
If you kept your macro going at home, you could have loaded up more units to send over for the win, or even have a nydas down for such occasions. That was still a very enjoyable game non the less,
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On March 09 2011 07:39 ChefStarCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 07:23 King of Blades wrote:On March 08 2011 15:33 ChefStarCraft wrote:
I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%.
I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. Why should i have to sit here and take that ?
Your picking apart of my steps is simply re wording it, my wording was fine. Your not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid.
As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post.
I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means.
My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude.
Referring to this line and your whole post:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.",
Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. you sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that.
That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized.
I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the problem. Again, it was late.
And I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important.
I feel Its ridiculous enough, to have to defend my good name from this rubbish, when sharing and talking about ideas with the public.
On to the threads purpose.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior)
Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group. Your wording was not fine, I, for one, had absolutely no idea what you were talking about till he translated it. He gave you some advice and tried to help and you got hostile instantly cause he's ruining your "good name". Well, "good names" tend to be ruined more when you get all defensive and attack someone who's trying to help you. The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible. The wording was in fact fine. It was no different then from what he posted, just slightly re worded. His post was not necessary. He was stating something and insulting me over a matter I already explained. I will re explain it to you. I haven't put my full attention into this thread yet, and haven't 100% organized it, let it be said that its not 100% complete. That dosent mean that the message dosent get delivered I got defensive because he insulted my grammar, when in fact its not as horrible as he states. He makes it sound like its completely unreadable and as if a 2 year old had written it. I just don't take kindly to people talking down to me, or insulting me. Show nested quote +
The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible.
It can be done at a reasonable speed and can be feasible in play. Just because its not in your play dosent make it not feasible. I also specifically requested not to fill up this thread with nonsense and arguments. This is the end of it. If you feel you have something to say pm me.
"The wording was in fact fine. It was no different then from what he posted, just slightly re worded."
I literally am speechless at this. Read that carefully.
Why would you post this if you weren't ready to pay attention to it and hadn't organized it?
And I'm sorry to inform you of this, but you don't get to decide what is posted in your topic, if we disagree, you have to deal with it.
If you have all your hotkeys used, I will admit this could be useful, but otherwise, using two hotkeys is more efficient in every way.
I'm done discussing this as well.
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On March 09 2011 15:14 King of Blades wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 07:39 ChefStarCraft wrote:On March 09 2011 07:23 King of Blades wrote:On March 08 2011 15:33 ChefStarCraft wrote:
I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%.
I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. Why should i have to sit here and take that ?
Your picking apart of my steps is simply re wording it, my wording was fine. Your not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid.
As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post.
I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means.
My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude.
Referring to this line and your whole post:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.",
Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. you sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that.
That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized.
I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the problem. Again, it was late.
And I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important.
I feel Its ridiculous enough, to have to defend my good name from this rubbish, when sharing and talking about ideas with the public.
On to the threads purpose.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior)
Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group. Your wording was not fine, I, for one, had absolutely no idea what you were talking about till he translated it. He gave you some advice and tried to help and you got hostile instantly cause he's ruining your "good name". Well, "good names" tend to be ruined more when you get all defensive and attack someone who's trying to help you. The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible. The wording was in fact fine. It was no different then from what he posted, just slightly re worded. His post was not necessary. He was stating something and insulting me over a matter I already explained. I will re explain it to you. I haven't put my full attention into this thread yet, and haven't 100% organized it, let it be said that its not 100% complete. That dosent mean that the message dosent get delivered I got defensive because he insulted my grammar, when in fact its not as horrible as he states. He makes it sound like its completely unreadable and as if a 2 year old had written it. I just don't take kindly to people talking down to me, or insulting me.
The technique is slower and less efficient then hotkeying them separately and tapping to switch, it's not feasible.
It can be done at a reasonable speed and can be feasible in play. Just because its not in your play dosent make it not feasible. I also specifically requested not to fill up this thread with nonsense and arguments. This is the end of it. If you feel you have something to say pm me. "The wording was in fact fine. It was no different then from what he posted, just slightly re worded." I literally am speechless at this. Read that carefully. Why would you post this if you weren't ready to pay attention to it and hadn't organized it? And I'm sorry to inform you of this, but you don't get to decide what is posted in your topic, if we disagree, you have to deal with it. If you have all your hotkeys used, I will admit this could be useful, but otherwise, using two hotkeys is more efficient in every way. I'm done discussing this as well.
You seemed to have found a flaw in my typing, congratulations. Is it possible that i am human and made a mistake? Heaven forbid!!
So much typing happened that day its bound to happen.
If you must know the reason behind why it was so rough and unorganized to begin with, is because I had started out with one original idea, in fact with the first draft I accidentally started this topic.
I had to quickly finish it and have something to show.
After further testing with the toggle I learned more about its behavior, which completely changing my threads idea.
I feel I need to give at least a explanation for that.
I also know I can not force anyone to follow what i prefer, thats why i prefer it and its not a rule, what i preferred was a genuine thing that is expected of human beings, and isn't up for argument.
In fact nothing is up for arguments so stop trying to do so.
You pointing this out just confirms my opinion that your just trying to make me look stupid with this post. Its time wasted on both our ends sir.
I don't get how people like you get off on trying to make me look bad, and find pleasure in pointing out my mistakes.
Why don't you put allot of effort and time into something, share it with others and go ahead see how it feels when someone completely irrelevant to the matter decides to point out a small error in order to make you look stupid, and proceed to question its theroness as if he was writing it himself.
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Why doesn't one just use two cntrl groups for the ovies and double-tapthe key to go back and forth...... Its faster and requires fewer key presses......
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On March 09 2011 15:45 Crushgroove wrote:
Why doesn't one just use two cntrl groups for the ovies and double-tapthe key to go back and forth...... Its faster and requires fewer key presses......
I'm only sharing my findings, I'm not saying this is better or worse then anything.
Its just a trick you can use if you choose too.
I have recently considered testing having a group of creep tumors and using this method to shift+select and travel between them all individually. This would move your camera all over the map. Allowing you to spread the tumors near by, in theory it should work.
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On March 07 2011 18:00 lost_dm wrote:
Is there a chance to make a video of this? I'm not sure I understood it fully...
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On March 09 2011 20:09 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 18:00 lost_dm wrote:
Is there a chance to make a video of this? I'm not sure I understood it fully...
I would really love to make a video that would make it so much easier, but I sadly don't have the software available to do that.
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Just because someone points out a flaw in your posts doesn't mean they are trying to make you look stupid. If you make a topic and expects everyone to be nice, you'd be better of not making a thread at all.
And fyi, saying that your first post is hard to understand is not an insult no matter what the cause.
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On March 09 2011 20:57 nam nam wrote:
Just because someone points out a flaw in your posts doesn't mean they are trying to make you look stupid. If you make a topic and expects everyone to be nice, you'd be better of not making a thread at all.
And fyi, saying that your first post is hard to understand is not an insult no matter what the cause.
You make it sound like I'm a bad guy, I'm really not. I just hold respect to highly, this is obviously to much to expect and is the wrong place. With my profession respect is very important, that is now apart of me.
In the kitchen once you have already proved your worth. Your opinions are taken at a higher level of acceptance. Because if the chef is right he is right. In order to prove him wrong you must be respectful to his opinion as well. If you dared to prove him wrong, you must be ready for his reasons for his opinion if you are still wrong. That just means if your daring to prove him wrong you have really given this some thought, and arnt ready to make a ass of yourself in front of the chef. If you proved him wrong and are in fact right, you are right.
This Is our example of behavior that we follow.
It sets a example to respect a persons opinion,
because their wisdom on the matter if greater then yours.
After all they are just sharing there own personal findings
and don't deserve to be treated in a disrespectful way.
I know I am not a chef on the forums. I am just used to people having a certain level of respect for a persons opinion. We only have this level of respect because we are always helping each other with only good intentions. I feel it could by applied here as well, given its the same circumstances.
It just appears some people don't practice this form of manners.
No, that wasn't the insult, I was told that by others, respectfully too may i add. Its just the way gone about it was very disrespectful.
I understand that if someone we're to point out a mistake there not always trying to make me look stupid.
The way gone about doing these things means just as much as the things themselves.
I believe there is a fine line between sincerely pointing out a mistake and making someone look stupid.
When things are gone about in a respectful manner there is never a problem.
Let it be on me then, I have low tolerance for putting up with bullshit.
I understand that making a thread and expecting everyone to be nice is to much.
Thats why I stopped making threads about my ideas, I feel its just stupid to waste time on
sharing my ideas with the people who can't practice good manners.
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