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Hello all, I have discovered another great follow current unit selection feature for us Zergs.
The idea is to utilize the camera focusing priority of follow current selection. This is simply a cool little trick i found while experimenting with follow current selection. I discovered that if you split a group of units, all of them on one control key into equal groups and send them both to opposite sides of the map, by activating follow current selection you can then shift+ deselect the units to travel between the 2 groups instantly.
The keys used and the keys changed:
Follow Current Unit Selection - changed to Q
Unload all - changed to D
How to change hotkeys:
You can change Follow current selection and other hotkeys by going to option> hotkeys> global>camera, It will be the second down from the base camera
I applied this feature to a baneling drop with great success.
The Execution:
These steps are meant to be followed while in game. To cut down on bs It would be nice if you try these steps before commenting.
The goal is to have 6 or 4 overlords filled with banelings, have them set to one control group.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the group of ovies that are shown and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord
Notes:
You may have to shift click more then one overlord, sometimes all of them, it depends largely on how many units are in the given control group.
Its important to have equal amounts of overlords in position, because when following a selection if you shift + click (deselect) overlords it will instantly move you to the group in that control group with more.
Result:
This will deselect that group your looking at, and will move your camera to the other group across the map, to the units that are in the same control group. Allowing you to multi-task drops, and save hotkey space.
This happens because there are more overlords in that group, so its a higher priority to follow for some reason, this is why it moves to them when you deselect a overlord when follow current selection is activated.
Why should i learn this?
I find this to be a very nice trick to utilize the camera focusing priority with follow current selection, that can save hotkey space and can be executed very fast and allows you to multi-task drops in a different way.
Simply a little trick to add to you mechanics, if you choose to use it!!
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Edit: There is still some confusion, maybe this will help explain:
An example with a different approach:
You have 1 control group of 6 overlords
You send 3 to one part of the map and 3 to another.
You activate follow current selection
*You need to press the control group*
Your now following one of those 2 groups you split across the map.
You box the overlords and move them toward the mineral line
You press the overlords control group once again
Once your finished unloading you press shift + click overlord to deselect that current group. Your Camera will move in on the other group across the map automatically,
To those having a hard time following the short term steps, please try reading them in more detail:
Step 1: Load them into the overlords and position them by the mineral lines.
Step 2: Now select their control group, split the control group so there is equal amounts of overlords and move them to the mineral lines.
Step 3: Press Follow unit selection once.(stays activated until you re tap it, or pan away)
Step 4: Press the overlords control group
Step 5: Now with all the overlords by the mineral lines, box the group your screen is moved on move them into place to bomb.
Step 6: press D (unload) and click each overlord,
Step 7: *Reselect the overlords control group*
Step 8: Press Shift and click on a overlord , this will make it so you follow the current selection with more overlords in it. Meaning, your camera will instantly move in on the other group of overlords in that control group.
*Important: You may have to shift click more then one overlord, sometimes all of them, it depends largely how many units are in the given control group.
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This is just a cool little trick i discovered, and wanted to share.
I practiced and always practice anything new in Yabot.
A big thank you to the Yabot creators. <3
I also insist on bringing overlords with your army with every engagement to spread creep.
I am sorry for my brutal realistic ways, I am actually a very nice person I just have a very low tolerance to bullsh*t. The only thing that I and anyone would ever ask, is for politeness and respect for others when posting in threads I created. I hold no name calling as just important as respect and manners. Don't say anything to someone you wouldn't be ready to have said to yourself, and think before you post. You know what I'm saying?, the same good old principles we all should have grown up on.
Edit: I have scraped all future experiments, there will be no future threads, putting up with the public and there excessive eagerness to post argument prone messages is far too time consuming, stressful and ridiculous for my tastes.
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Is there a chance to make a video of this? I'm not sure I understood it fully...
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Glad you started experimenting with baneling drops, as EVERYONE SHOULD ( looking at every hydra/roach/corruptor zerg ). This will help definitely when you're dropping on mineral lines. I didn't read the entire OP so I don't know if this is included.
But what if you say had 2 overlords far apart from eachother. And they were send seperately to different mineral lines. Could you for example when dropping from one overlord, deselect that one and hit 'follow unit' so that the camera instantly springs towards the other overlord? This would help so much with multitasking those multi-pronged drops :D.
Keep on experimenting with follow unit Chef, this will help my play a lot. If you want to practice them in real games you know where my guides are ; ) ( shameless self advertising, sorry for that ).
FOR ANYONE INTERRESTED IN WHAT 'FOLLOW UNIT DOES'
You know the thing casters do? The view that centers and follows the unit that they clicked on? Thats what follow unit does. Its a very smooth transition.
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Yeah would be nice to see a video with explanation cause I don't get too.
"Box the zoned in group of ovies" - what is that?
Well looks like I understood what you mean but I wonder if this isn't harder that just sending your overlord to drop and that's all - you don't even need a control group for that, just select ovie. I mean it's not like you are doing multiply drops all the time.^^
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On March 07 2011 18:00 lost_dm wrote:
Is there a chance to make a video of this? I'm not sure I understood it fully...
I would love to make one but i sadly don't have the software, I'm not sure how much better i can explain.
All it does is zone in on a group of units that your following instantly.
If you have one control group full of units lets say a total of 6 units.
You sent them to 2 different parts of the map.
When you activate this toggle you can shift + click one of those units, this will deselect that unit out of that group. Instantly zoning you on the other group in that same control group across the map.
I applied this to baneling drops because its a great idea when applied to it.
This should clear up the rest of the confusion
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On March 07 2011 18:08 Chaosvuistje wrote:Glad you started experimenting with baneling drops, as EVERYONE SHOULD ( looking at every hydra/roach/corruptor zerg ). This will help definitely when you're dropping on mineral lines. I didn't read the entire OP so I don't know if this is included. But what if you say had 2 overlords far apart from eachother. And they were send seperately to different mineral lines. Could you for example when dropping from one overlord, deselect that one and hit 'follow unit' so that the camera instantly springs towards the other overlord? This would help so much with multitasking those multi-pronged drops :D. Keep on experimenting with follow unit Chef, this will help my play a lot. If you want to practice them in real games you know where my guides are ; ) ( shameless self advertising, sorry for that ). FOR ANYONE INTERRESTED IN WHAT 'FOLLOW UNIT DOES'
You know the thing casters do? The view that centers and follows the unit that they clicked on? Thats what follow unit does. Its a very smooth transition.
Exactly that, but you need to Activate it first, and then deselect.
The unloading is done in between.
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It's actually really hard to understand what you mean. Not bad english, just hard to understand. If anyone can create a video tut that will be helpful.
Btw
they're = they are
there = "over there mum!"
their = "that's their food, son."
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It is quite hard to grasp the hold of,
But i'll do the best i can.
You have 1 control group of 6 overlords
You send 3 to one part of the map and 3 to another.
You activate follow current selection
*You need to press the control group*
Your now following one of those 2 groups you split across the map.
Once your finished unloading you press shift + click on a overlord.
This will deselect that group your looking at, and will zone you to the other group across the map.
Allowing you to multi-task drops.
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On March 07 2011 18:35 arbitrageur wrote:
It's actually really hard to understand what you mean. Not bad english, just hard to understand. If anyone can create a video tut that will be helpful.
Btw
they're = they are
there = "over there mum!"
their = "that's their food, son."
i apologize for my horrible grammar its pretty late.
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Haven't tested this yet but:
Say my control group 1 is a group of 6 overlords. I send 3 to north of map and 3 to east of map. I activate follow current selection. I'm not following one of those 2 groups and unload one of the overlords - then I shift click it and remove it from my control group 1. This leaves 5 of them in my selected group, my camera centred on 2 of them. Does removing all 3 overlords from the north camera (after I'm done unloading) then make the camera follow the other 3 on the east side? Or does the camera focus onto another overlord randomly, after removing the initial overlord, say instantly scrolling to the east side then back to north? How does the camera prioritize?
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On March 07 2011 18:53 Valckrie wrote:
Haven't tested this yet but:
Say my control group 1 is a group of 6 overlords. I send 3 to north of map and 3 to east of map. I activate follow current selection. I'm not following one of those 2 groups and unload one of the overlords - then I shift click it and remove it from my control group 1. This leaves 5 of them in my selected group, my camera centred on 2 of them. Does removing all 3 overlords from the north camera (after I'm done unloading) then make the camera follow the other 3 on the east side? Or does the camera focus onto another overlord randomly, after removing the initial overlord, say instantly scrolling to the east side then back to north? How does the camera prioritize?
ok one small mistake, you need to activate follow current unit selection and then tap the number you hotkeyed the overlords to. So your following the selection, unload and then shift + click to deslect the overlord, it will zone you to the group across the map.
The camera will only prioritize after re taping the control group it will issue it, allowing you to deselect a overlord and zone to the other group.
Remember you need equal amounts of groups.
I noticed i was missing this bit of information from the steps, it is now included, sorry for the confusion and inconvenience it should work fine now.
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Why couldn't you just do it in a game and upload the replay.. No software required.
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On March 07 2011 19:15 rofio wrote:
Why couldn't you just do it in a game and upload the replay.. No software required.
Ok I will attempt this.
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Ok After further and further testing it seems that you need to select the control group press follow current unit selection, box the group, unload them, re select the control group and then shift click a overlord. It should zone you to the next group of units, if the first deselected overlord dose not do this deselect another, until it works it will zone you to the other group.
I may put up a replay tomorrow.
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Im not sure I understand. What is the advantage of this over just the ordinary waypointed drop with some tapping in between to make sure you get the blings where you want them?
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I find this to be a very nice trick, that can save hotkey space and can be executed very fast and allows you to multi-task drops easier. save hotkey space, is really easy to do and synergizes well with the new Fixed backspace method.
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Please try to improve the wording, I truly have no idea what some of the steps mean, nor why this method is in anyway superior to what I'm normally doing. You don't need to keep tacking on new explanations. Just do it once properly.
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Firstly let me say that, regardless of your motivations, your determination to find and share new techniques and such is admirable. Some of your suggestions have been great. HOWEVER... your post structure, sentence structure, grammar etc are really, really awful. Abysmal. People aren't writing this on your threads because they would like it to look nice just for the sake of it, or to try to annoy you, but because they simply can't understand what you are talking about. How an idea is communicated is almost as important as the idea itself.
For example, there's no summary anywhere in your post (it should be the very first thing we read). You start with hotkeys, how to change hotkeys, and that you like doing drops... then jump straight into a (confusingly written) step-by-step guide detailing exactly how to do the thing we don't know what it is.
I suggest you have a look at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/smilies.php for how to actually do formatting, and: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195389 for a great example of a well-written post. If it's a complicated subject, a video explaining further is always great. I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.
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Onto the actual subject matter. I believe what ChefStarCraft is trying to describe is a new method of controlling a multi-pronged drop. You will be using multiple overlords all in the same control group, as opposed to the standard method using multiple hotkeys for your OLs. I'm not 100% on this (because I'm not actually confident this is what he means at all), but I'll try to summarise what I think is going on:
- Have your overlords hotkeyed into one control group, spread near their respective drop zones
- Order your overlords to move to the drop zone(s)
- Hit your overlord hotkey to select all your OLs.
- Activate the "Follow Current Selection" camera toggle. This means your camera will automatically try to center any units in your selection on the middle of your screen. Your camera should now be tracking some of your overlords
- Order your on-screen overlords to drop their cargo
- Once all overlords in this "prong" of the attack have been directed to drop, shift + click on them (on screen) to remove them from your selection
- Your screen should now automatically re-center itself to the (selected) overlords of another "prong" of your attack.
- Repeat steps #5 through #7 as desired
How useful or effective this will be I have no idea, I'm just trying to clarify what I think he might be trying to describe. It's certainly an interesting suggestion....
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On March 08 2011 01:56 Hairy wrote:Firstly let me say that, regardless of your motivations, your determination to find and share new techniques and such is admirable. Some of your suggestions have been great. HOWEVER... your post structure, sentence structure, grammar etc are really, really awful. Abysmal. People aren't writing this on your threads because they would like it to look nice just for the sake of it, or to try to annoy you, but because they simply can't understand what you are talking about. How an idea is communicated is almost as important as the idea itself. For example, there's no summary anywhere in your post (it should be the very first thing we read). You start with hotkeys, how to change hotkeys, and that you like doing drops... then jump straight into a (confusingly written) step-by-step guide detailing exactly how to do the thing we don't know what it is. I suggest you have a look at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/smilies.php for how to actually do formatting, and: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195389 for a great example of a well-written post. If it's a complicated subject, a video explaining further is always great. I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise. ------------------------------------------------------------ Onto the actual subject matter. I believe what ChefStarCraft is trying to describe is a new method of controlling a multi-pronged drop. You will be using multiple overlords all in the same control group, as opposed to the standard method using multiple hotkeys for your OLs. I'm not 100% on this (because I'm not actually confident this is what he means at all), but I'll try to summarise what I think is going on: - Have your overlords hotkeyed into one control group, spread near their respective drop zones
- Order your overlords to move to the drop zone(s)
- Hit your overlord hotkey to select all your OLs.
- Activate the "Follow Current Selection" camera toggle. This means your camera will automatically try to center any units in your selection on the middle of your screen. Your camera should now be tracking some of your overlords
- Order your on-screen overlords to drop their cargo
- Once all overlords in this "prong" of the attack have been directed to drop, shift + click on them (on screen) to remove them from your selection
- Your screen should now automatically re-center itself to the (selected) overlords of another "prong" of your attack.
- Repeat steps #5 through #7 as desired
How useful or effective this will be I have no idea, I'm just trying to clarify what I think he might be trying to describe. It's certainly an interesting suggestion....
I apologize, I haven't been able to give this thread the same attention i could with my others, I will make it a note to organize it like the others when i have time. I edited this late last night and was not thinking at 100%.
I embarrassed myself with my poor grammar, but i cant help but feel insulted. You practically jumped at the opportunity to give me insults and make me look even more like a fool then was deserved. I'm only trying to experiment and pitch out ideas to help better our mechanics. The fact that I'm sharing is selfless, flashing team liquids rules at me like your some sort of power or figure of importance, was further demeaning and insulting. I try to be a contributor, and respectful, your post was exactly the opposite, no matter how much thought went into wording each of your words, it dosent justify the fact that your putting me down, and making me look stupid.
Why should i have to sit here and take that ?
Your picking apart of my steps is not making anything any clearer then I am. In fact that whole post was completely unneeded, it was just a hard attempt to put me down, and try and make me look stupid.
As for the threads current roughness, it will be cleaned up in due time, I am sorry for the inconvenience, When in fact it is only inconveniencing me. Which is why I can't respect you or your post.
I choose to share my ideas with others, something that i don't need to do by any means.
My ideas help many, you posting that just restating what i was explaining and poking at my character dosent make you a good contributor, or intelligent for that matter, just rude.
Referring to this line and your whole post in general:, "I guarantee you that if you follow this advice the response to your threads will change from confusion and frustration to near universal praise.",
Trying to create a situation where you can give advice while putting me down dose not justify the delivery. Its just misleading, unnecessary and sounds like your talking down to me, as if you we're superior. Again, I will organize this thread further when i have more time. You sir are not teaching me a lesson like your guarantee states. I will not stand by and let you feel that undeserved satisfaction. There is a way to treat people, and go about saying and doing things in life, and you sir seem to lack that.
That was a sad attempt to make your post sound like it was in some way meaningful or useful. Like I already stated I will clean up this thread when i find the time, until then it wont be 100% organized.
I miss looked a step or 2 pre-edit, that is now fixed. This is why people are having problems understanding and executing the task. Again, it was late.
I have no interest in filling up my thread with arguments over this matter, pm me if it proves to be so important.
I feel Its ridiculous enough to have to defend my good name from this rubbish when sharing and talking about ideas with the public.
On to the threads purpose.
Step 1: Create Control group of overlords
Step 2: Position overlords
Step 3: Press follow current selection
Step:4: Press control group of ovys
Step 4: Box the zoned in group of ovies and move to mineral line
Step 5: Press Unload hotkey and click a ovy and repeat until they're all unloaded.
Step 6: *Press the overlords control group again*
Step 7: Press Shift and click on an overlord (if it dosent zone you to the overlords after the first deselect, deselect another, until it works it can take one or 2 trys, sometimes on the first overlord sometimes on the last.) ( I'm not sure how to explain this behavior)
Ok this will work now, once your done unloading, you deselect the overlords and it will zone you to the other overlords in the same control group across the map, allowing you to multi-task those units in that same control group.
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This has been happening since Beta?
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