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MeowMeowMeow
8 Posts
- Banshees (I always prepare for it but sometimes if you pull one out real fast it can be tough to have turrets/vikings in time) - 3 rax/bunch of marauders (depends on the map here, on open areas it can work but on closed chokes/ramps it will die) - Tanks - Early drop (most terrans are NOT ready for this) In general just scouting and being prepared for it should make you ok.. just don't get walled in your base with sieges/turrets outside your base..  | ||
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Terminator(471)
United States243 Posts
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
On February 23 2011 07:56 RukKus wrote: Questions on scouting: Marine or SCV for scouting key positions on the map? Marine early game and SCV when saturation has been met? Early and mid game, how often to scan? 2 mule 1 scan rotations? In the super early game I use my scouting SCV. But beyond super early game it should always be marines. Marines and SCVs have the same cost but the SCV is an income earning position, the Marine is a military unit - it's job is recon, and combat. Once you start setting up surveillance with Marines you can never go back. You can literally see everything. You'll spot every drop. It's awesome. Obviously this does not work so well in TvZ if the Z is good about his patrols. You should also be doing this in TvP. Always MULE in early game if you are not confident in what you're opponent is doing. Either use a timed reaper to get in his base, or a timed scan when he should have devoted a tech path. In late game you want to constantly scan your enemy's army and try to catch it out of position. | ||
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Razith
Canada431 Posts
I then get siege tanks, siege mode and 1 viking while saving up a scan. I'll patrol the most common drop route and see if I can catch a medivac. If its banshees, I have a scan saved up and a viking. You can also get an ebay and put up 1 turret to deny it. If he goes fast tanks to start a contain, just don't panic. Your economy will be stronger, so it is only a matter of time before you gain air control and push him out. Just be as cost effective as possible. Some contains are scary, some are just little pokes that are annoying. Just remember its never cost effective to run your army into tank fire to break a contain. Edit: I've also been getting +1 on turrets lately in TvT. I find it helps when your opponent uses banshees or nukes to try and break a contain. On top of that, it helps you maintain air control. | ||
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SleeplessDad
Hong Kong2 Posts
1) Seige tank push works best if you see your opponent walling off. As soon as I spot the wall off I go seige push. Cos that normally means I can put a seige tank outside of chok and just blast right out at the buildings causing your barracks and depots to hurt and eco as well when you start repairing. I even leave a scan open when I am at the doorstep of my opponent so the tanks get to blast away more things in sight or when a cloak unit comes. So to avoid that, don't wall off, unless you want to hide your early Ports/Ghost... 2) Seige tank push aims to contain oppenent early so one can expand. So to counter it is to make sure you scout and when you spotted anything coming, proactively move your forces out to welcome your opponent. Tanks are vulnerable and they are rather easy to take down when they are not seiged, so go and greet your opponent actively can take down the tank real quick. Remember - the tank is the most valuable asset of a seige push, so you take it down, you are ahead. 3) Drops - it works and I had lost to hellions drop before. What I now do is instead of 2 tanks push, I leave one tank at home to seige for defense. Have that option in your mind. 4) Banshees - it does work, but normally a tank will be surrounded by a group of marines, so you need normally 2 banshees to take down one tank group (giving up one) if they are uncloaked. You can equally fly your banshees to your opponent base to harrass. That is somewhat all/nothing cos if you go early banshee you will likely to have little to no other forces to defend. Keep pumping out marines while you fly your banshee out as that is your own ground response available. I as a tank push user, counter that by getting vikings in base and an extra scan unused. 5) Counter with Siege tank - learn how to seige tank push so you know the timing of it. It's really quite easy to handle. It's basically an orb-comm open then go 1-1-1 with 100gas on factory. The reason I go for a starport early instead of an extra tank earlier is it gives me option to go vikings or medic. Both also gives me vision when I blast away to a wall-off. My first post, sorry for a long one. I hope this helps. | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:36 Krasso wrote: Its just funny, cus i feel like everyone i ask answers something different. U tell me to get siege mode early, day9 tells me to wait untill i need it. u tell me to get vikings early, people tell me to get something to harrass with (in TvT) TvT just feels like a rock-paper-scissors match-up to me >_> As long as you play standard siege, there's really nothing to worry or something that needs to be changed. If you do something fancy like 2-3 early hellions, quick raven??? quick vikings?? (dunno just saying) you might not be in ok shape but it's still manageable. When for some reason he tries something really stupid like few marines, 2 tank contain, you break it by pulling some scvs and you're actually ahead. This is just generic advice, i'll look at replay when i get home. | ||
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nyc863
200 Posts
His opponent had a bunker and a tank, .,, and a game winning banshee that killed 17 scvs at the attackers base, and gg.. | ||
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CrayonKing
Cambodia124 Posts
I think you have to know about TvT is that any mobile army will lack detection so take advantage of that. This applies the same as bio balls. What you have to be careful of is if the contain lasts too long and he starts getting turrets up. | ||
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xciLe
Norway213 Posts
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Mass Morines
Sweden3 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
you brought up a 3 month old thread to say that. | ||
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megaBICEPS
Canada79 Posts
On February 23 2011 11:58 Terminator(471) wrote: Try the iEchoic tvt build OP said he was looking for something standard I think? iEchoic is definitely not. I also use it and I don't think I've ever lost to any tank play, lots of base trades though. Also that I've seen so much BM from using that build its ridiculous. | ||
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BigBossX
United Kingdom357 Posts
"Really o.o you brought up a 3 month old thread to troll?" Fixed | ||
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
The openings that I counter with this build are the following -Early tank aggression -2-3 Rax SCV pulling all ins. -Banshee Open The build: In short it’s a 1/1/1 raven open some keys to the build are the following. With standard Gas and supply depot timings for TvT, I don’t want to put a full supply BO. -Constant SCV production -After barracks is done constant marine production -After 3 marines are built I start a bunker at top of ramp so when 4 marines are finished I can hop inside. (This prevents marines/rauder allins) -Right when my Factory completes I Build a tech lab on the factory while starting my Starport. -Right when techlab on Factory completes I start a tank. -Right when starport completes I build a tech lab on the starport. And when the techlab completes you should have about 185 gas , right when it its 200 build a raven. -Once the tank is completed I keep it by my mineral line with a few marines. Just in case there is a drop. -With my next 100 gas I start researching siege mode. At this point you have a lot of versatility going into the mid game. If he opens banshee you have raven/marines. If he comes w/ siege tanks all you need is the one siege tank siege at your ramp. Continue siege production and prepare an in base expansion and use your raven for spotting. I even like to get one banshee and start picking off his tanks and push him back to take your expo. In your specific scenario I would get a banshee of my one and MAKE SURE IT DOESN’T DIE! Micro a round pick tanks off while getting a second barracks. After my banshee completes I lift off my starport and switch it for barracks for stim / combat shield upgrade. Get a medevac out of the starport and start harassing him, after all he is outside your base and most likely can do some damage in his base w/ 8 marines /w stim. AS LONG as you have vision w/ raven and 1-2 tanks at ramp you will be fine and use that banshee to get him to pull back. NOTE- one of the openings that I somewhat have a hard time w/ is blue flame hellion open. If I scout it in time i like to get 1 or 2 mauraders w/ slow in my min line. If I don’t scout it in time I atleast put my depots around the outskirts of my base so I can see the drop coming and position my tanks / marine that I put in my mineral line to soak the damage rather than my scvs. Use 3-4 scvs to trap the hellions, you can afford to lose 3-4 scvs, just not 10-15. I’m no pro, but this is what I do. | ||
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:21 Perfect wrote: did i get trolled? I think so, my friend. But it still might help people stumbling upon the necro. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Really the best way to not die to an early tank attack without also going for the fast tank is to take map control and intercept the attack with alot of marines or marine hellion. Personally i like to go 1 rax expand. Drop both gases asap get a second rax and pump hellions. You then simply move around the map and prevent them from sieging near your base. EDIT: If they siege near you base just split and move next to the tank while your hellions clean the marines. | ||
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