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Eyshoth
Mexico19 Posts
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Anwyn
8 Posts
Im a 3100~ protoss player for wathever is worth. 9 Pylon and scout 12 Gateway 15 Gas 16 Pylon 17 Cyber Then when minerals allow it without cutting much in probes get another gateway and then the other gas, when the core is finished, start producing non stop stalkers with chronobust and add another gateway, and start warpgates but dont use chrono on it. When you first stalker is out, you can try to kill his overlord or/and the first 2 lings that are used to chase your scouting probe. By the time his roaches get to your ramp, you probably have 3 salkers plus 2 more building, its important to block yourself complety, so the lings can't enter. After this, if they cant destroy your wall is GG. Hope it helps. | ||
Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On February 04 2011 01:06 Anwyn wrote: I think i found a way to stop this without canons and with an opening that is pretty much standart. Im a 3100~ protoss player for wathever is worth. 9 Pylon and scout 12 Gateway 15 Gas 16 Pylon 17 Cyber Then when minerals allow it get another gateway and then the other gas, when the core is finished, start producing non stop stalkers with chronobust and add another gateway, and start warpgates but dont use chrono on it. When you first stalker is out, you can try to kill his overlord or/and the first 2 lings that are used to chase your scouting probe. By the time his roaches get to your ramp, you probably have 3 salkers plus 2 more building, its important to block yourself complety, so the lings can enter. After this, if they cant destroy your wall is GG. Hope it helps. A replay would probably be more worthwhile to post than your rank... | ||
Anwyn
8 Posts
On February 04 2011 01:07 Amber[LighT] wrote: A replay would probably be more worthwhile to post than your rank... I will try to post a replay when i get home. | ||
ZeaLL
Canada53 Posts
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
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Sajuuk7
134 Posts
Protoss: "I wonder if you have the balls to rush me again." Zerg: "I wonder if you have the balls to only build one gateway and no cannons." ![]() 5.5 Minute Mark: 16 Speedlings, 3 Roaches VS 1 Zealot, 2 Sentries In the future, take a deep breath and watch the replay yourself with an open mind. You could have chrono'd more units, or built a cannon, or built another gateway sooner, or had better scouting, etc, etc. In other news: Your bad manners and negativity have made this thread long and bitter. You: "This is impossible to stop." "I have never cried imbalance... but.. what the hell, come on." "if u have to blindly forge and put cannons on top of ur ramp there is something wrong with the matchup." TL-goers: "This is the last person i expected to see write this sort of thread.." "Wait is this a joke or something? This is a standard 5RR, except he cut some roaches and added more lings..." "He obviously isn't looking for help, he's looking for sympathy. Just let the thread die, every suggestion has already been made." Your replies: "ur not very high rated are u? t.t" "some of u must not watch the replays very carefully." "some of u guys... just give unbelievable advice. like none of it would work in time to stop this. " "im not being high and mighty. im just good enough at the game to know what im talking about." "im sorry but a lot of u are completely clueless, like absolutely clueless. u play this guy and u would get absolutely raped to pieces yet u say how easy this is to stop, lol" "9 out of 10 suggestions have been absolutely retarded" "did u even read the chat? the guy talking about how much he wins?" "Uh, the entire point of the thread was me asking for help. And no, no I haven't. I actually haven't insulted anyone. Except for you, you're a tool." Almost every post you wrote was incredibly negative, derogatory, and sometimes even straight up lies: I also have done very little bitching or moaning, pretty much only one moan and it was in the OP. And then you have the audacity to try to end the thread with: anyways it's stoppable yes. but it's ridiculously ridiculously powerful. This sounds just like the kind of stuff that is on the battlenet forums everyday... TL-Goer: Not to offend but I expected better manners from someone with a liquid tag Your reply back: where did I have bad manners? You again... contradicting yourself some more: god, why are people so full of shit. how dare i post this and then argue a position. why am i getting so much shit for this from random people who probably are terrible at the game anyways Hey, TL Mods, I hope you read this and think twice about who has a TL tag, and about who should get a warning/ban/whatever: the inciter of flame, or people caught in fire. EDIT: P.S. Please lock this thread. | ||
OmNomSpy
United States68 Posts
I tried to trick the Protoss into thinking I wanted an expansion while I built a roach warren, which was slightly delayed in doing so. I got 4 roaches and pushed out immediately, rallying speedlings until 34 supply before building an expo. Killing his army and just a few probes gave me the time I needed to drone up past his probe count. Rest of the game was EZ PZ ![]() | ||
Jayrod
1820 Posts
On February 03 2011 11:37 travis wrote: if i chronoboosted sentries before i saw the roaches yeah that'd work, but i have to be chronoboosting them every time instead of warpgate. after playing vs it some more I think it's quite easy to hold if you scout it (which I now know to do), then just get a 2nd gate blocking ur ramp (so gate/core/gate wall), then start chronoboosting stalkers after ur sentry. quite an easy hold if u do that I absolutely do not think forge + cannons are optimal at all, I think its a very poor way to respond. A friend and I worked on this about 10 games last night (hes zerg). I was able to hold it with decent success.. its really all about the stalkers. I think you're right... best success is to fully gateway block, get stalkers, etc. Since you already have a second gas you can transition to 4 gates with blink (that build Nazgul brought back briefly at MLG) or even 3 gate blink pressure with an expansion knowing hydras are delayed and his economy is too behind to produce enough lings AND drone. I think the 4 gate with blink option because I really dont think they could hold that off and why give them a chance to get back in the game? If you protoss' reading this remember, that 4 gate blink build beats like 90% of zerg builds when you're on even footing... it requires a very specific response from the zerg.... a response that just isn't possible with that shitty of an economy. Blink obviously allows you to save a building when you push out as well. I think if they saw your wall off and went home with a ton of units instead of forcing the issue, maybe 3 gate into expand, but if they proceed with the all-in and you hold it off.. just go 4 gates with blink and secure the win. I suppose a normal 4 gate could work too but i feel like blink adds insurance and a transition into a tech tree that is good in every PvZ if shit gets a little crazy edit: I should clarify, I pulled probes to defeat the non-wallin attempts. checking the replays it put us on even workers when i did this. just fyi. | ||
Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
im serious, too. im not gonna post in the strategy forum anymore. that way I won't be rude to people who 1.) were completely wrong and 2.) were actually rude to me. goodbye | ||
Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:39 travis wrote: i'll take my "bad attitude" and stop posting on the strategy forums with it, everyone will be better off that way. I didn't want to tiptoe around a bunch of clueless people. and guess what, that's not an insult, it's just the truth. there's a reason very few top players bother posting here and it's because they don't want to argue with a bunch of clueless people, many of whom want to fight about shit that doesn't even have to do with the game. im serious, too. im not gonna post in the strategy forum anymore. that way I won't be rude to people who 1.) were completely wrong and 2.) were actually rude to me. goodbye Regardless of the clueless people in here, and I admit there's many, you still did get legitimate solutions to your build, the process of getting there might have been shitty, but don't you think the way the thread was made had something to do with that? I hope you post again, you're a legitimate good Protoss. | ||
No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:39 travis wrote: i'll take my "bad attitude" and stop posting on the strategy forums with it, everyone will be better off that way. I didn't want to tiptoe around a bunch of clueless people. and guess what, that's not an insult, it's just the truth. there's a reason very few top players bother posting here and it's because they don't want to argue with a bunch of clueless people, many of whom want to fight about shit that doesn't even have to do with the game. im serious, too. im not gonna post in the strategy forum anymore. that way I won't be rude to people who 1.) were completely wrong and 2.) were actually rude to me. goodbye good decision, i think its better for you and the fellow readers... u need to deep breathe, anb back to this forum in some days or weeks later... | ||
Aristotle7
United States120 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:39 travis wrote: I didn't want to tiptoe around a bunch of clueless people. and guess what, that's not an insult, Don't hate bro, it's still an insult. I'm glad Zerg finally has something close to an early pressure. At least, Protoss cant be greedy as hell anymore. Only 2 units by 5:00 should always die to an allin. It's that simple; the game makes sense now. It brings joyful tears to my Zerg eyes. | ||
roymarthyup
1442 Posts
to make up for the 75 mineral loss and still allow you to get those first quick 2 zerglings after the pool to deny scouting, you put 2 drones on gas instead of 3 which pays for the lost 75 minerals. this will give you slightly slower lingspeed but it wont matter thaat much next, after you start lingspeed you put 3 drones on gas until you have 50gas then you take all drones off gas and put on minerals instead of getting 3 roaches, you only get 2 roaches. thats all you really need because you combine those 2 roaches with the 2 original lings to attack the blocking zealot with this strategy you should be knocking on the protoss door with 2 roaches+2lings (instead of 3+2lings) at 5 and you should be knocking on the protoss door with 2 roaches + 20 speedlings (instead of 3 roaches + 20 speedlings) at 5:30 this rush is pretty much exactly as powerful as the original build, but you proxy the warren making it unscoutable the real true benefit of the warren in this build is it allows the 2 original larva to be turned into 4food of fighting units instead of 2food, and those fighting units are ranged and kill zealots well | ||
FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:55 roymarthyup wrote: i think the best way to do this strategy is to proxy the roach warren with a proxy hatch which costs 75 minerals to make up for the 75 mineral loss and still allow you to get those first quick 2 zerglings after the pool to deny scouting, you put 2 drones on gas instead of 3 which pays for the lost 75 minerals. this will give you slightly slower lingspeed but it wont matter thaat much next, after you start lingspeed you put 3 drones on gas until you have 50gas then you take all drones off gas and put on minerals instead of getting 3 roaches, you only get 2 roaches. thats all you really need because you combine those 2 roaches with the 2 original lings to attack the blocking zealot with this strategy you should be knocking on the protoss door with 2 roaches+2lings (instead of 3+2lings) at 5 and you should be knocking on the protoss door with 2 roaches + 20 speedlings (instead of 3 roaches + 20 speedlings) at 5:30 this rush is pretty much exactly as powerful as the original build, but you proxy the warren making it unscoutable the real true benefit of the warren in this build is it allows the 2 original larva to be turned into 4food of fighting units instead of 2food, and those fighting units are ranged and kill zealots well Saving up 300 minerals delays the warren pretty significantly... This build is a timing attack before WG finishes.. if you delay any part of it, its no longer a timing attack, its just bad. | ||
SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
Way to go guys. I think this thread could have ended after Darkforce's excellent advice. | ||
onmach
United States1241 Posts
The first protoss 2 gated and I absolutely crushed him with roach ling on steppes in under six minutes. The second guy went for a gateway/forge, and I decided to abandon it before I spent any money on units and ended up winning in the long game with muta ling. The other time was on metal, and I got my overlord sniped by a chronoed out stalker above his ledge. That put a pretty fast end to this rush, and I think the same opening would have worked for travis because there is no cover for the overlord and no units to kill the stalker with. I think on steppes I'm going to rotate this into my primary build, and possibly also on delta quadrant. That's because I have a 33% win rate on both maps and this seems to have a much better win rate when there is overlord cover. | ||
raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:39 travis wrote: i'll take my "bad attitude" and stop posting on the strategy forums with it, everyone will be better off that way. I didn't want to tiptoe around a bunch of clueless people. and guess what, that's not an insult, it's just the truth. there's a reason very few top players bother posting here and it's because they don't want to argue with a bunch of clueless people, many of whom want to fight about shit that doesn't even have to do with the game. im serious, too. im not gonna post in the strategy forum anymore. that way I won't be rude to people who 1.) were completely wrong and 2.) were actually rude to me. goodbye Then why do you bother posting in the strategy forum knowing that most "top players" don't bother posting ? I don't know if people here are masters or gold level and frankly i don't think it matters. There are good advices and bad advices . You can replay to advices you think are usefull and don't replay to advices that are bad or at least not in a negative way . When you ask for help you don't need to be all superior like and bash on people who are trying to help you regardless of their knowledge of the game ... | ||
Kanaduh
Canada16 Posts
On February 04 2011 02:16 Sajuuk7 wrote: This game was facepalm from the beginning. Protoss: "I wonder if you have the balls to rush me again." Zerg: "I wonder if you have the balls to only build one gateway and no cannons." ![]() 5.5 Minute Mark: 16 Speedlings, 3 Roaches VS 1 Zealot, 2 Sentries In the future, take a deep breath and watch the replay yourself with an open mind. You could have chrono'd more units, or built a cannon, or built another gateway sooner, or had better scouting, etc, etc. In other news: Your bad manners and negativity have made this thread long and bitter. You: TL-goers: Your replies: Almost every post you wrote was incredibly negative, derogatory, and sometimes even straight up lies: And then you have the audacity to try to end the thread with: This sounds just like the kind of stuff that is on the battlenet forums everyday... TL-Goer: Your reply back: You again... contradicting yourself some more: Hey, TL Mods, I hope you read this and think twice about who has a TL tag, and about who should get a warning/ban/whatever: the inciter of flame, or people caught in fire. EDIT: P.S. Please lock this thread. This is the best post of this thread. I 100% agree, and I highly suggest everyone including Travis read it again. I haven't been on TL for a very long time, and I don't really know who this Travis person is, or what his his history is in this community; but i think a lot of regular posters would have been warned/banned by now if we said some of the exact same things he has said in this thread. I actually watched some of the replays posted in response to this, and some of the strategies and builds were actually quite effective at beating that zerg all-in. Anyways, to me it's just another zerg one base all-in that is very powerful against a protoss player who doesn't respond properly. Either way, this thread was ruined by the very ridiculously poor manners and illogical posts by Travis. | ||
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