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Roerik
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
April 08 2011 13:08 GMT
#1521
On April 08 2011 22:00 Ryuu2 wrote:
Why does t start with 11 supply?


Because SCV's has to stay at the building when he's constructing that building.
Public opinion has a way of changing.
Roerik
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
April 08 2011 13:12 GMT
#1522
On April 08 2011 22:00 Ryuu2 wrote:
Why does t start with 11 supply?


Because SCV's has to stay at the building when he's constructing that building.
Public opinion has a way of changing.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
April 08 2011 14:42 GMT
#1523
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
April 08 2011 15:05 GMT
#1524
On April 08 2011 23:42 VoirDire wrote:
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?


You mean your ramp block or just he is blocking himself with buildings?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
April 08 2011 15:10 GMT
#1525
On April 09 2011 00:05 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 23:42 VoirDire wrote:
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?


You mean your ramp block or just he is blocking himself with buildings?

He blocks your expansion with a pylon and a follow-up gateway (gateway is later canceled).
Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
April 08 2011 15:19 GMT
#1526
On April 09 2011 00:10 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:05 Alpina wrote:
On April 08 2011 23:42 VoirDire wrote:
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?


You mean your ramp block or just he is blocking himself with buildings?

He blocks your expansion with a pylon and a follow-up gateway (gateway is later canceled).


Wow that's smart--I'll try that out next time I PvZ

The response is to expand elsewhere. The zerg can't afford to build lings to take down the gate (which will be cancelled anw) at this point.
Best or nothing.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
April 08 2011 15:21 GMT
#1527
On April 09 2011 00:10 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:05 Alpina wrote:
On April 08 2011 23:42 VoirDire wrote:
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?


You mean your ramp block or just he is blocking himself with buildings?

He blocks your expansion with a pylon and a follow-up gateway (gateway is later canceled).


Well you can go for 15 pool and then make 4-6 lings and kill pylon/gateway and expand. If you know he is doing FE, then you might take fast 3rd as well.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
April 08 2011 15:23 GMT
#1528
On April 09 2011 00:10 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:05 Alpina wrote:
On April 08 2011 23:42 VoirDire wrote:
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?


You mean your ramp block or just he is blocking himself with buildings?

He blocks your expansion with a pylon and a follow-up gateway (gateway is later canceled).


Attack with some lings put pressure on em. Putting in that much money to stop your expo he shouldn't be able to defend an all-in from the zerg at this point. Even if he cancels he puts himself really behind in the early game. If you were planning on going Hatch first just drop the spawning pool and a gas get ling speed or roaches. Good Luck
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 08 2011 15:38 GMT
#1529
Is it better to start the production of 2 queens simultaneously or is it better to create 1st queen at time XX:XX and 2nd at XX:XX? ( I have seen morrow wait for simultaneous double queen production )
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
April 08 2011 15:52 GMT
#1530
On April 09 2011 00:38 archonOOid wrote:
Is it better to start the production of 2 queens simultaneously or is it better to create 1st queen at time XX:XX and 2nd at XX:XX? ( I have seen morrow wait for simultaneous double queen production )


I believe he waits for simultaneous production just because it makes the injection timings line up. I do play zerg from time to time, and it's a lot easier to macro when you don't have 1 queen getting 25 energy 10 seconds after your other queen gets 25.

Basically it just makes it so you can hit all of your injects at the same time, every time.

An alternative would be to queue up the queens at different times, but don't do the first inject until both are out and then do them at the same time
get rich or die mining
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BoneGrinder
Profile Joined January 2011
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 16:33:27
April 08 2011 16:27 GMT
#1531
As Terran, what is the optimal number of SCV's to saturate my main base?
I Shall Grind the Bones of Mine Enemies!!!!
Roerik
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
April 08 2011 16:50 GMT
#1532
On April 09 2011 01:27 BoneGrinder wrote:
As Terran, what is the optimal number of SCV's to saturate my main base?


Optimal (or best) saturation is 16 workers (2 per mineral-patch) and 24 workers (3 per mineral-patch) is absolute max numbers of workers you would ever want on one base. Not counting the obvious 3 workers you want on each gas.

16 workers will mine ~640 minerals per minute any additional worker on that base will mine ~20 minerals per minute, so 24 workers will mine ~800 minerals per minute. Any additional worker after 24 workers will only mine about ~8 minerals per minute.
Public opinion has a way of changing.
Roerik
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
April 08 2011 16:52 GMT
#1533
On April 09 2011 01:27 BoneGrinder wrote:
As Terran, what is the optimal number of SCV's to saturate my main base?


Optimal (or best) saturation is 16 workers (2 per mineral-patch) and 24 workers (3 per mineral-patch) is absolute max numbers of workers you would ever want on one base. Not counting the obvious 3 workers you want on each gas.

16 workers will mine ~640 minerals per minute any additional worker on that base will mine ~20 minerals per minute, so 24 workers will mine ~800 minerals per minute. Any additional worker after 24 workers will only mine about ~8 minerals per minute.
Public opinion has a way of changing.
Mythito
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada230 Posts
April 08 2011 16:52 GMT
#1534
On April 09 2011 01:27 BoneGrinder wrote:
As Terran, what is the optimal number of SCV's to saturate my main base?


6 in gas and 24 on minerals totalling 30 workers for full base saturation, with any race.
Did everything just taste purple for a second?
BoneGrinder
Profile Joined January 2011
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 17:11:43
April 08 2011 17:10 GMT
#1535
On April 09 2011 01:50 Roerik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 01:27 BoneGrinder wrote:
As Terran, what is the optimal number of SCV's to saturate my main base?


Optimal (or best) saturation is 16 workers (2 per mineral-patch) and 24 workers (3 per mineral-patch) is absolute max numbers of workers you would ever want on one base. Not counting the obvious 3 workers you want on each gas.

16 workers will mine ~640 minerals per minute any additional worker on that base will mine ~20 minerals per minute, so 24 workers will mine ~800 minerals per minute. Any additional worker after 24 workers will only mine about ~8 minerals per minute.


Awesome thank you very much. Another question, will 24 workers efficiently support 2 bases when I expand? Pertaining to only mining minerals.
I Shall Grind the Bones of Mine Enemies!!!!
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
April 08 2011 17:30 GMT
#1536
On April 09 2011 00:23 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:10 VoirDire wrote:
On April 09 2011 00:05 Alpina wrote:
On April 08 2011 23:42 VoirDire wrote:
In zvp, what is the best/safest way to respond to forge-expand pylon + gateway block?


You mean your ramp block or just he is blocking himself with buildings?

He blocks your expansion with a pylon and a follow-up gateway (gateway is later canceled).


Attack with some lings put pressure on em. Putting in that much money to stop your expo he shouldn't be able to defend an all-in from the zerg at this point. Even if he cancels he puts himself really behind in the early game. If you were planning on going Hatch first just drop the spawning pool and a gas get ling speed or roaches. Good Luck

Please don't answer questions with blind theory crafting that you don't know the answer to. That doesn't help anyone.

"Some lings" can't do anything vs a cannon wall and with 2 cannons he's safe from all types of all ins. Check game 2 of Morrow vs Ace in IEM:
ZeroTalent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 17:54:13
April 08 2011 17:53 GMT
#1537
On April 09 2011 02:10 BoneGrinder wrote:
Awesome thank you very much. Another question, will 24 workers efficiently support 2 bases when I expand? Pertaining to only mining minerals.


It's worth looking at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mining_Minerals and http://sc2calc.org/unit_production/terran.php to help answer questions about mining efficiency and production.

To answer the specific question, if you have 24 workers and then expand, then all of your workers will operate at full efficiency as long as both bases have 16 or fewer workers (so, a 16-8 split, or 12-12 split is fine, but a 20-4 split is less efficient). In general, though, if you plan on expanding (and you should!), it's best to keep building workers even if you oversaturate your main, so that you have higher income once the expansion is up.
Can we get an official definition of "all-in"? Please?
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
April 08 2011 18:21 GMT
#1538
i have this theoretical strat for TvZ in my head:

i start out with quick 2 starport banshee production, and try to kill some queens and also to snipe any spires that are building. then after 3 banshees are out i swap the starport with tech lab for a factory and begin researching blue flame... then hellion harass and finally get out 1 thor. this is all off one base for the most part. would this work do you think? :S
Elothis
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
April 08 2011 18:44 GMT
#1539
pretty all in style, but if youre control is good and the zerg doesnt react exactly in the right way you can win with it. maybe get youre expo instead of the thor, cause no quick mutas will come if you could snipe all spires.
BoneGrinder
Profile Joined January 2011
United States40 Posts
April 08 2011 20:01 GMT
#1540
Is it viable to have a bump in unit production (other than SCVs) to throw down an expand as Terran?

EXAMPLE: Using the 3 Rax build, after sending my first big push en route to the enemies base at ~8:00mins, slightly delaying Barracks production (again not sacrificing SCV production) to throw down my CC.
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