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Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
March 27 2012 23:36 GMT
#11741
On March 28 2012 07:40 ricecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 01:02 Drowzee wrote:
a) does a picked up unit by a phoenix grant high ground vision?
b) (not really strategy-wise) why does some players in the gsl don't use the razer banshee headset? i thought the banshee headsets were supplied by gom, but i saw huk and jyp using a steelseries headset soometimes


A) I just tested this: Yes.

I opened up Unit_Test_Map. I placed two marines on the low-ground of the platform. I placed a ghost from the opposite team on the high ground (I put him on hold fire to keep him from shooting the marines). With both marines on the ground, they could not shoot the ghost, as expected. When I picked one marine up, the other started shooting at the phoenix.

Picture:
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But were they able to shoot the ghost is the big question, shooting the phoenix might just mean that the gravitron beam triggers the air unit counter attack vision, basically any air unit that attacks from high ground can be attacked back regardless of vision, but ground units on the high ground cannot be.
ricecake
Profile Joined October 2010
152 Posts
March 28 2012 00:51 GMT
#11742
Very good point, I didn't think of that. I retested and no they were not able to shoot at the ghost. Editing my post now.
Steak's hair gives him super strength!
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 28 2012 01:29 GMT
#11743
On March 27 2012 23:44 ricecake wrote:
Sorry if this is the wrong place ---

Can anybody point me to replays / VODs of a pro terran playing mech vs zerg in a major tournament?

(The liquipedia article only has 2 and the searching turned up nothing.)


The most recent vod I would recommend would be MVP vs Sniper on Daybreak from the GSL up downs. You can't really go wrong learning builds from MVP (even if he is in a mini slump lately).
Numb
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada12 Posts
March 28 2012 01:32 GMT
#11744
I remember seeing a picture that laid out the very basics of starcraft for somebody who doesn't know anything about the game, explaining economy, aggression etc.

I've tried searching, but I cannot seem to find it. Does anyone know where to find it??
Nibble Nibble
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
March 28 2012 01:37 GMT
#11745
On March 28 2012 10:32 Numb wrote:
I remember seeing a picture that laid out the very basics of starcraft for somebody who doesn't know anything about the game, explaining economy, aggression etc.

I've tried searching, but I cannot seem to find it. Does anyone know where to find it??


http://i.imgur.com/wmJRR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JNpKM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JrucJ.jpg

From Barcraft 'Intro to Startcraft' Handout - Teamliquid.net
Numb
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada12 Posts
March 28 2012 01:38 GMT
#11746
On March 28 2012 10:37 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 10:32 Numb wrote:
I remember seeing a picture that laid out the very basics of starcraft for somebody who doesn't know anything about the game, explaining economy, aggression etc.

I've tried searching, but I cannot seem to find it. Does anyone know where to find it??


http://i.imgur.com/wmJRR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JNpKM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JrucJ.jpg

From Barcraft 'Intro to Startcraft' Handout - Teamliquid.net


sweet! very quick reply, thank you fine sir.
Nibble Nibble
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
March 28 2012 02:39 GMT
#11747
MLG posted the winter championship vods, but a very limited number, like only one game per series. For example, Polt v Stephano, just game 1. Is this normal? Should I expect more soon, or not?
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
LittleRagey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States24 Posts
March 28 2012 02:45 GMT
#11748
This isn't really a strategy question, but why do some pros play on low graphics? sorry if this has been asked.
brystmar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
March 28 2012 03:52 GMT
#11749
It seems like many pro Zergs in the GSL skip (or forget about) the Adrenal Glands upgrade after getting to hive tech -- even if they are still using upgraded lings as part of their army composition. Happens very, very often in the GSL which makes me think it's an active decision to omit the upgrade. Why?
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
March 28 2012 03:56 GMT
#11750
On March 28 2012 11:45 LittleRagey wrote:
This isn't really a strategy question, but why do some pros play on low graphics? sorry if this has been asked.

They do this to reduce the amount of latency or lag they experience when playing the game from strain on their CPU, so that they have the smoothest possible gameplay
On March 28 2012 12:52 brystmar wrote:
It seems like many pro Zergs in the GSL skip (or forget about) the Adrenal Glands upgrade after getting to hive tech -- even if they are still using upgraded lings as part of their army composition. Happens very, very often in the GSL which makes me think it's an active decision to omit the upgrade. Why?

Make no mistake, they do NOT omit this upgrade on purpose. Having 3/3 lings attack 20% faster is ALWAYS worth 200/200 the Adrenal Glands upgrade costs. The only explanation that I can think of is that they either forget it or have such a low economy for some reason that they cannot afford it.
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
brystmar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
March 28 2012 05:09 GMT
#11751
On March 28 2012 11:45 LittleRagey wrote:
This isn't really a strategy question, but why do some pros play on low graphics? sorry if this has been asked.

In addition to the above, a specific combination of settings makes it easier to spot the ripples made by cloaked units.
brystmar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 05:13:19
March 28 2012 05:12 GMT
#11752
On March 28 2012 12:56 envisioN . wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 12:52 brystmar wrote:
It seems like many pro Zergs in the GSL skip (or forget about) the Adrenal Glands upgrade after getting to hive tech -- even if they are still using upgraded lings as part of their army composition. Happens very, very often in the GSL which makes me think it's an active decision to omit the upgrade. Why?

Make no mistake, they do NOT omit this upgrade on purpose. Having 3/3 lings attack 20% faster is ALWAYS worth 200/200 the Adrenal Glands upgrade costs. The only explanation that I can think of is that they either forget it or have such a low economy for some reason that they cannot afford it.

That's what I thought -- TONS of pros in the GSL are forgetting it on a regular basis! I'd even be willing to wager that the number of high-econ hive tech games where they forget AG outnumbers the games where they remember it. That is, in the 2012 GSLs I've seen (which is most of them)...
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
March 28 2012 07:05 GMT
#11753
After an especially taxing/frustrating game, why don't players stay in a bit longer and collect themselves instead of immediately GGing out? Is it that taboo, or is the space between the game ending normally and the next one starting enough to compose oneself?
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2590 Posts
March 28 2012 08:51 GMT
#11754
On March 28 2012 16:05 Supah wrote:
After an especially taxing/frustrating game, why don't players stay in a bit longer and collect themselves instead of immediately GGing out? Is it that taboo, or is the space between the game ending normally and the next one starting enough to compose oneself?

Sometimes they do. Lots of players continue to play out a game for quite some time after they've obviously lost, and you sometimes see games in the GSL where the losing player is just sitting there with his head in his hands but hasn't gg'd out yet.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 09:36:49
March 28 2012 09:36 GMT
#11755
What was the graphics option setups which gives best vision to see cloacked units? I never cant see observers.

Currently I play everything in ultra settings.
MacGuffinSC
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand15 Posts
March 28 2012 10:43 GMT
#11756
On March 28 2012 18:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
What was the graphics option setups which gives best vision to see cloacked units? I never cant see observers.

Currently I play everything in ultra settings.


Believe it was just the lowest settings. However I think it was changed to make it a bit less obvious at low now.
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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2590 Posts
March 28 2012 11:42 GMT
#11757
On March 28 2012 19:43 MacGuffinSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 18:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
What was the graphics option setups which gives best vision to see cloacked units? I never cant see observers.

Currently I play everything in ultra settings.


Believe it was just the lowest settings. However I think it was changed to make it a bit less obvious at low now.

At one point, setting everything to lowest and then setting textures to ultra would make cloaked units very easy to see, but that seems to have been fixed at some point.
The frumious Bandersnatch
gabapenteado
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil37 Posts
March 28 2012 21:11 GMT
#11758
Is there a protoss build order optimizer, like the Evolution chamber for zerg?
PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
March 28 2012 22:03 GMT
#11759
On March 28 2012 07:27 MetaSheep wrote:
I'm currently in bronze league right now because I've purposely threw my placements games to see how long it takes for me to get to diamond/masters. I played RTS games before. I believe that my micro and macro are solid enough to get me at least in gold/plat by blindly 1rax expand into marine/tank/medivac every game, but the only 'problem' I'm having right now is in TvT.

How do I kill a noobie terran that surrounded his 2 bases with turrets, bunkers and siege tanks without having to waste like 20 minutes chipping at him until he runs out of minerals while I have the entire map?

what I usually do is to use your build, but get a fair amount of tanks. Then you have to save up scans and just engage in a tank battle as usual, with sitting just outside sight range but still within range. Once I have successfully set up position, I get bc's.
To answer your actual question, you really cant. You just need to be patient.
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
mahi29
Profile Joined May 2011
United States235 Posts
March 28 2012 22:52 GMT
#11760
I don't know if this is right area to ask, but I don't think my question deserves its own thread. Anyway the question:

How do you deal with mass cloaked banshees as protoss. I've had a bit of trouble dealing with mass cloakshees with viking support. The terran scans and snipes my obs and suddenly my army - which is most always bigger than his - is in full retreat and getting destroyed by the high DPS of the banshees. How should I be dealing with this? I tried to have a few spare obs trailing my army when my initial one gets picked off but the terran just rescans and repeats. Any ideas on how to deal with this?
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