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BudgetTheLeech
Profile Joined September 2011
United States89 Posts
September 07 2011 14:56 GMT
#7481
Also, would it be a good idea to place pylons around the map to for more vision? Or is that just something that Zerg can do with Overlords?
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 15:41:39
September 07 2011 15:18 GMT
#7482
On September 07 2011 23:56 BudgetTheLeech wrote:
Also, would it be a good idea to place pylons around the map to for more vision? Or is that just something that Zerg can do with Overlords?


The short answer is, yes you can do that so long as you do it carefully.

+ Show Spoiler [The Longer Answer] +
Placing some strategically placed Pylons can be a great way to get sight of new expansions or incoming drops or even to catch sight of an army moving below a high ground location. The advantage Zerg having though in doing it with Overlords is they can be moved and so aren't so likely to die, and you don't want to lose your supply repeatedly for nothing.

If you do place them around the map, remember that it's making your supply more open so you need to know why you're placing a Pylon down somewhere. A small corner of land a drop is likely to go over for instance might be a great place, or in a corner just in vision of a Zerg's 3rd/4th base could also be strong. Sometimes placement might be somewhere closer to you that is more likely to be safe by virtue of positioning but as well as giving some vision can be used as a forward Pylon should a fight begin around there.

So yeah, if you are going to do it, make sure that you're likely going to gain something for it rather than just putting them around where you're going to lose 100 minerals.
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Acidflashbak
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
September 07 2011 16:14 GMT
#7483
Are the leagues currently locked? and is there a place I can check to see if they are locked or not?
Jetcon gaming!
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
September 07 2011 17:57 GMT
#7484
On September 08 2011 01:14 Acidflashbak wrote:
Are the leagues currently locked? and is there a place I can check to see if they are locked or not?


No the leagues aren't currently locked. I'm not sure if there's somewhere specific to find out but as they only lock them during the last couple of weeks a season if you visit battle.net and click to the starcraft 2 portal, you'll see a list of recent blogs, and seasons ending is always in that list when it's coming up.

If someone else knows if there's a better way to see if the seasons are locked though I'd be interested in knowing to as I've never really thought about that being a really bad solution before.
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Forex
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany3 Posts
September 07 2011 23:26 GMT
#7485
What should i do if the toss blocks my fast expand (zerg) with a pylon ?
with forge fast expand Protoss are way better in eco than i am with my delayed hatch.
Do not hesitate to correct me, I like to learn.
Sporadic44
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
September 07 2011 23:36 GMT
#7486
On September 08 2011 08:26 Forex wrote:
What should i do if the toss blocks my fast expand (zerg) with a pylon ?
with forge fast expand Protoss are way better in eco than i am with my delayed hatch.


If you know hes going forge expand for sure, take your third as your first expand, and throw down your pool. get 4 lings out to kill the pylon asap, continue droning. Once you've killed the pylon check around your third for any pylons and probes. grab your natural expansion once youve droned up a bit. scout as best you can. If you're not sure what hes doing throw down a evo for a few spores. Other than that, dronedronedronedrone. Toss virtually has two options for aggression after a forge expand. VR's, or some sort of +1 6-8 gate. Either with a bunch of sentries or blink stalkers usually.
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized."
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 00:57:09
September 08 2011 00:56 GMT
#7487
On September 08 2011 08:26 Forex wrote:
What should i do if the toss blocks my fast expand (zerg) with a pylon ?
with forge fast expand Protoss are way better in eco than i am with my delayed hatch.


You really should 11overpool 18hatch vs toss, it will help you get that pylon down superfast, AND get an early queen AND deny scouting AND make him build cannons if he's ForgeFEing

get 10 drones, then do the extractor trick for an 11th
then overlord as soon as you can afford it, on 11/10 food
then pool at 11/10 when you have the money for it
drone until 15
15 - queen
17 - 1 pair of zerglings
18 save for hatch, don't get overlord until you start hatch
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
September 08 2011 01:23 GMT
#7488
On September 08 2011 08:36 Sporadic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 08:26 Forex wrote:
What should i do if the toss blocks my fast expand (zerg) with a pylon ?
with forge fast expand Protoss are way better in eco than i am with my delayed hatch.


If you know hes going forge expand for sure, take your third as your first expand, and throw down your pool. get 4 lings out to kill the pylon asap, continue droning. Once you've killed the pylon check around your third for any pylons and probes. grab your natural expansion once youve droned up a bit. scout as best you can. If you're not sure what hes doing throw down a evo for a few spores. Other than that, dronedronedronedrone. Toss virtually has two options for aggression after a forge expand. VR's, or some sort of +1 6-8 gate. Either with a bunch of sentries or blink stalkers usually.

I'd give this advice over "do a different build" just because of a pesky pylon. If there isn't a third you can take on the map in particular, than it is probably just a bad map but you can still deal with taking your expo late and make just drones for a while.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
jinheff
Profile Joined February 2011
United States17 Posts
September 08 2011 05:45 GMT
#7489
In ZvZ:

how do you stop a zerg who is all inning you with speedlings after doing a speedling 21 expand? (AKA, he builds no drones, and pure speedling after the expo goes down). I can't seem to see any way to scout this happening and have sufficient time to prepare for it.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 08 2011 05:48 GMT
#7490
There are two different types of splash damage. Siege tanks splash damage everything in the radius, while most other splash damage units, like banelings, colossi, hellions, etc only splash the enemy. Now if you attack your own unit, will the splash affect enemy units?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 05:52:35
September 08 2011 05:52 GMT
#7491
On September 08 2011 14:48 Chairman Ray wrote:
There are two different types of splash damage. Siege tanks splash damage everything in the radius, while most other splash damage units, like banelings, colossi, hellions, etc only splash the enemy. Now if you attack your own unit, will the splash affect enemy units?


Yes. One pro used a hellion to shoot another hellion to kill an invisible creep tumor IIRC.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DarkwinX
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia35 Posts
September 08 2011 06:13 GMT
#7492
I am a terran player and i have my hotkeys setup as follows
1-3 army
4 cc's/pf's
5 raxs
6 facts
7 ports

is it a good idea to put all the production facilities onto 5 and use tab to cycle through?
or is there a better way to do it?
I very disappointing and very sad after my lose
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
September 08 2011 06:23 GMT
#7493
On September 08 2011 15:13 DarkwinX wrote:
I am a terran player and i have my hotkeys setup as follows
1-3 army
4 cc's/pf's
5 raxs
6 facts
7 ports

is it a good idea to put all the production facilities onto 5 and use tab to cycle through?
or is there a better way to do it?


Whatever works better for you; It takes extra keystrokes if you have them all on one hotkey and you can't split rally points, but it might be hard to reach 6 or 7 in a hurry during battle etc. I would personally set aside a control group for Ebay/armory/Techlabs/ghostacademies as well so you can check on upgrades and upgrade more stuff without looking around for your structures. customizing your hotkeys to move a control group over from 0 to ~ is pretty normal as well.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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roflcopter420
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden168 Posts
September 08 2011 09:57 GMT
#7494
Where can I read how to do a proper 1 1 1 all in?
Its much the same as milking a cow
roflcopter420
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden168 Posts
September 08 2011 10:21 GMT
#7495
Also, what does all the numbers mean in a liquipedia BO mean? Like all the (1),(2),(3) in this?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Blue_Flame_Expand_(vs._Terran)
Its much the same as milking a cow
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 14:55:10
September 08 2011 10:36 GMT
#7496
On September 08 2011 18:57 roflcopter420 wrote:
Where can I read how to do a proper 1 1 1 all in?


I was going to link to Liquipedia but it seems it's not on there. Guess I'll go fix that, but accidentally break Liquipedia and hide from wrath of the mods.

Edit: Ok wrote it: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/1Rax_1Fact_1Port_(All-In)

At any rate (quoting as to not take credit for searching):

On August 24 2011 08:47 vaderseven wrote:
10 depot
12 rax
13 refinery + scout
15 OC and marine
16 Depot
17 Factory
18 refinery
@3 marines make a bunker
@Factory Tech lab on Factory ASAP and Starport
Swap factory off tech and start another tech lab (put starport on 1st one)
Make 1 raven out of starport then banshees (optional to skip raven)
Make Tanks out of factory and start siege mode sometime during 2nd tank making.

Push with 3-4 Tanks, 1-3 bansee, Marines, and 8-15 SCVs

Thats the basic version. HF.


Edit:

On September 08 2011 19:21 roflcopter420 wrote:
Also, what does all the numbers mean in a liquipedia BO mean? Like all the (1),(2),(3) in this?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Blue_Flame_Expand_(vs._Terran)


Those are the amount of them you'll have when you start making the thing indicated. For instance Refinery (2) is your second refinery.
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kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 15:16:45
September 08 2011 14:49 GMT
#7497
I have a problem with my keyboard while spamming units/spells as protoss. When I try to warp-in units, I press w, hold down s and spam click to warp-in stalkers. This is somehow not so smooth, and sometimes I lose focus of the warp-gates making me press w again. I have the same problem with force fields when I hold down F and I get holes in my force field wall because my mouse-click + F was not registered.

How should I configure my keyboard/Starcraft 2 to better optimize this? I am using Vista.
Vahriel
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia73 Posts
September 08 2011 15:10 GMT
#7498
In a general game of SC2, I always seem to outproduce my opponents/spend more money than them as a Zerg. In about half of the cases, I'm doubling their production, but, I just can't seem to make the most of my army in situations, people used to say, "just macro, youll beat your opponent no matter what" but that doesnt seem to be the case, when I'm doubling their macro and still losing.

I'm just wondering, as a zerg, is there a way to maximize my army efficiency besides flanking/targeting.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
September 08 2011 15:15 GMT
#7499
On September 09 2011 00:10 Vahriel wrote:
In a general game of SC2, I always seem to outproduce my opponents/spend more money than them as a Zerg. In about half of the cases, I'm doubling their production, but, I just can't seem to make the most of my army in situations, people used to say, "just macro, youll beat your opponent no matter what" but that doesnt seem to be the case, when I'm doubling their macro and still losing.

I'm just wondering, as a zerg, is there a way to maximize my army efficiency besides flanking/targeting.


it's possible that you're having composition / positional issues. Consider also counterattacking and harassing using units like banelings, speedlings, and mutalisks. We'll need more details to help more.
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Vahriel
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia73 Posts
September 08 2011 15:40 GMT
#7500
On September 09 2011 00:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:10 Vahriel wrote:
In a general game of SC2, I always seem to outproduce my opponents/spend more money than them as a Zerg. In about half of the cases, I'm doubling their production, but, I just can't seem to make the most of my army in situations, people used to say, "just macro, youll beat your opponent no matter what" but that doesnt seem to be the case, when I'm doubling their macro and still losing.

I'm just wondering, as a zerg, is there a way to maximize my army efficiency besides flanking/targeting.


it's possible that you're having composition / positional issues. Consider also counterattacking and harassing using units like banelings, speedlings, and mutalisks. We'll need more details to help more.


I wasn't sure if I was allowed to post replays in this thread; but here are a couple of examples:

First Game: http://www.mediafire.com/?z6t371bs756rvdv

My Minerals/Gas spent: 85475/36475
His Minerals/Gas: 42975/14750

Second Game: http://www.mediafire.com/?rbs3b3s2bxx9xq3

My Minerals/Gas: 53475/14825
His Minerals/Gas: 30175/10175

This happens quite frequently in ZvZ too, but I feel in ZvZ I just lose more often because of composition, more than anything. TvZ I generally win at my level, unless I get 11/11'd by a lucky guess Terran >_>;;
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