EPTedit. ling/bling or roaches or broods. nvm
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MonkeyBear
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edit. ling/bling or roaches or broods. nvm | ||
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Iranon
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ToastieNL
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rsvp
United States2266 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:14 lizzard_warish wrote: What are you suppose to do in PVT on Xelnaga? Assuming it gets to the mid game [ I refuse to cheese as I want to improve] it seems like the terran can just grab his gold third, virtually uncontestably and then has a two foot rush distance into my side of the map. How am I suppose to harass or exert any degree of pressure? Assuming you play somewhat standard PvT, your entire mid game goal should be to stop the terran from setting up the 3rd. If you think it's uncontestable, then you either fell behind early game, or have poor scouting/macro/army engagements and we need a replay to see what you're doing wrong. If the terran safely sets up his 3rd, then your goal is just to get to the 200/200 late game. You should strive to be slightly ahead on bases/expanding. The close rush distance should not be an issue for you as long as you have observers/watchtower control and know where the terran army is at all times (which you should on any map). The only time when this would be an issue is if the Terran goes mech, but that's a different story. | ||
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rsvp
United States2266 Posts
On August 02 2011 23:29 ToastieNL wrote: You need fast VRays to hold a Roach all-in if you expand This is a really big misconception, FE > stargate is a great build but void rays are neither necessary for safety nor guarantee your safety. Other routes such as cannon/sentry or DTs can be safe too, and you can still lose to an all-in that consists of mostly lings (with a few roaches to help bust cannons/sentries) even if you have a void ray out, your void ray will end up with 30 ling kills but you won't have a base left afterwards. | ||
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On June 18 2011 00:23 Anihc wrote: (anyone ever play mBnBuki? lol) mBnBuki all-ins every single TvP.. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:14 lizzard_warish wrote: What are you suppose to do in PVT on Xelnaga? Assuming it gets to the mid game [ I refuse to cheese as I want to improve] it seems like the terran can just grab his gold third, virtually uncontestably and then has a two foot rush distance into my side of the map. How am I suppose to harass or exert any degree of pressure? It's fairly common for terran to take the gold third on that map, and as Protoss you should try to react accordingly. Make sure you build a forward pylon at your gold 3rd as well. If you want to exert pressure, you have to do so in the usual fashion-- by attacking. Harass options include using blink stalkers with a spotting observer to harass his gold mineral line from below, or a zealot walkby through the backdoor of the natural. Most terrans will build a PF at the gold on this map, try not to engage him in range of the PF. Another thing you could do is watch some VoDs/streams of high level protoss players in the mid game on this map to get a feel for what they do. | ||
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
In Beta when I first started playing I used to mine 3 on gas(getting gas on 13), get speed, then lair, then overseer for quick scouting/safety. It worked kind of like a one gate robo expand vs Terran with a quick observer. It wasn't as economic as I'd like and I haven't even thought about it in months but after watching some old Brood War replays it got me wondering if lair before speed could ever be viable in SC2. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:26 tehemperorer wrote: As a Protoss, I don't know how Terran player feels. Question: When a Terran stims before medivacs are out, do they feel bad, as in they feel their units are all weaker now? Do Terrans 2nd stim before medivacs or do they have a rule of thumb like 1 stim w/o medivac, 2-3 stims with them? Masters P Any time you stim before medivacs are out, you either do it when it's absolutely necessary to defend, or you're sure you can kill several stalkers/zealots. If you stim and don't kill anything, it's pretty huge, and you worry about a timing attack that hits before medivac. Basically, what I've seen is that until I have medivacs, minor skirmishes are very dangerous; if I don't stim, I might lose, if I do stim, I NEED to deal a good amount of damage so he can't re-engage and win after the stim wears off. Of course, this is on the defensive, when the protoss player is able to retreat. If I am attacking, I am much happier stimming since I can force an engagement. Once I have medivacs, I'm much more comfortable stimming to defend or catch spare units. Once I have 4+ medivacs I'm cool stimming for whatever, basically. On August 03 2011 02:21 Venomsflame wrote: In BroodWar, some zerg builds revolve around using first 100 gas for lair and THEN next 100 gas for speed. Is there anything close to this in SC2 at the moment? I personally get speed pretty late most ZvPs anyway(mine one on gas if I don't scout an early pressure build until later), but is there any way to utilize lair tech that early? In Beta when I first started playing I used to mine 3 on gas(getting gas on 13), get speed, then lair, then overseer for quick scouting/safety. It worked kind of like a one gate robo expand vs Terran with a quick observer. It wasn't as economic as I'd like and I haven't even thought about it in months but after watching some old Brood War replays it got me wondering if lair before speed could ever be viable in SC2. Gas is twice as larvae-intensive and drone-intensive as it was in brood war because you mine at half the rate and have twice as many geysers; you need 6 drones, 2 extractors for full saturation as opposed to 3 drones, 1 extractor. that's a lot of minerals not mined. In BW you'd see more tech-ey builds because it costed less minerals to have gas. In Sc2 this is not the case. Most zerg players mine just 100 gas for speed, then go pure minerals to drone up to 2-base saturation. Lair before speed could be viable, but you need to do something with it-- like get roach speed, or hydras, or whatever your plan is, and it will require a lot of gas, which is hard on low drone counts, lower if you mine more gas and fewer minerals. Fast tech builds are hard for zerg. Instead of rushing overseer, use speedling pokes and ovie sacs to scout until a later lair is up. | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:21 Venomsflame wrote: In BroodWar, some zerg builds revolve around using first 100 gas for lair and THEN next 100 gas for speed. Is there anything close to this in SC2 at the moment? I personally get speed pretty late most ZvPs anyway(mine one on gas if I don't scout an early pressure build until later), but is there any way to utilize lair tech that early? In Beta when I first started playing I used to mine 3 on gas(getting gas on 13), get speed, then lair, then overseer for quick scouting/safety. It worked kind of like a one gate robo expand vs Terran with a quick observer. It wasn't as economic as I'd like and I haven't even thought about it in months but after watching some old Brood War replays it got me wondering if lair before speed could ever be viable in SC2. Sc2 zerglings are not BW zerglings, you need speed fast against early pressures. That, and in BW going super fast mutas was safe because protoss responses to mutas were fairly high up the tech tree, and turrets were terribe vs mutas, so you were pretty much gurenteed damage of some sort. Neither of those is the case inSC2, so it is just safer to stay tier one. | ||
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WarSame
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lizzard_warish
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Soulforged
Latvia982 Posts
I usually try to stop stargate production and grab robo/3rd after zerg secures his 3rd, quickly adding to 5 gates/colossi afterwards, perhaps I need to do it before taking 3rd and wait for at least one colossi? | ||
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cElph
United States29 Posts
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Fat Ninja
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:39 cElph wrote: With Hellion opening being so popular in ZvT,is it ok to just forfeit map control to the Terran?I've gotten into the habit of playing gasless in every match where I scout Reactor/Blue Flame Hellions and blindly making 3 Spines/2 extra Queens and grabbing all my gas around 40ish supply.Should I continue playing this way,or should I fight for the map? Vs. Reactor hellion you can not fight for map control until you have MB finished. After this point you can go clear out his hellions as long as you have enough lings to win your fights vs them. Vs BFH, it depends on what you want to do really. Personally, I never really fought for map control vs them because the way I see it his siege will be delayed until after my spire pops, and then my mutas can take back map control and I can go take my third. | ||
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:28 Soulforged wrote: Okay, simple situation: PvZ, I'm going FFE into fast stargate with 1 void ray \ 3 phoenix; if the zerg has taken a quick 3rd, and I've killed some drones\queens\forced spores, can I take a 3rd base off only 2 gateways production(zerg's saturating his own 3rd atm)? Or should I do it only on a map with "easy" 3rd, like LT? I usually try to stop stargate production and grab robo/3rd after zerg secures his 3rd, quickly adding to 5 gates/colossi afterwards, perhaps I need to do it before taking 3rd and wait for at least one colossi? For the first part of the question - It depends on the map. On LT(I never FFE there) you can, although you need to tack on extra gates ASAP, especially if it gets scouted. If your opponent is doing 2 base roach/hydra(more likely) or roach/infestor(less likely) pressure you ARE going to die, because you simply don't have the stuff to hold it. Obviously you just get plain countered by a roach hydra attack and a roach infestor attack is going to bust your FFE, and kill any gateway units you have, as well as snipe a base or two(and you can't pull probes because of FG). | ||
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:46 Fat Ninja wrote: for zergs.... how do you keep track of your queen injections? do you just "know" when it's time to inject because you're used to it? do you hotkey a queen or a hatch separately in order to be able to check on it by tapping the hotkey once so you don't have to look away from your army? or do you just visually check by double tapping the hotkey for your queens/hatches? I played about 800 games as Zerg, and by the middle-end of it I was able to get an instinctual sense for when my larva would pop. I never checked. | ||
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